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Test of Marriage

2009-06-22T12:53:36Z

Daedilus:

== Overview ==
''The Test of Marriage is perhaps the easiest challenge you will have. Be forewarned, however: A spouse can use and dispose of your goods as they see fit, and can even log in as you!''

'''New for T4''': Same-sex marriages!

== Principles ==
* Witness a wedding (see The Ceremony) requirement.)
* Introduce yourself to a potential mate (click on a player avatar of the opposite gender)
* Have a potential mate introduce themselves

'''NOTE:''' Completing a marriage ceremony as a bride/groom participant also satisfies the principle.

=== Demonstrate the Principle ===
What it took to unlock the test for Egypt:

''Demonstrated by PetruxII in Nomad's Paradise on 2009-01-11.''

== Details ==
The Test of Marriage is passed by being part of a (or a series of - see [[#Casanova Passes|Casanova Passes]]) 'successful' marriage(s). See the Scoring section for more detailed information.

Being married allows your spouse to:

* ''Spouse Warp'' to your location without the need for use of Travel Time. (If the spouse is offline, you travel to their last location)
* Freely access your belongings and buildings.
* Log into your avatar through the Utilities menu, and play as you with no limitations or restrictions, other than being unable to access the billing menu and password functions.

=== Marriage Ceremony ===
At a [[Common Altar]]:

* One person should clear the altar of any items, and meditate at it in order to clear and reset any previous interactions with it.
* The first partner places a medium diamond on the focus on the statue's left hand.
* The second partner places a medium diamond on the focus on the statue's right hand.
* Five witnesses click on the altar and choose to 'meditate'. The witnesses all need to meditate within a few seconds of each other, else it may be necessary to restart the ceremony.
** The couple themselves do not meditate as part of the ceremony.

If you hear music, the ceremony was a success. If something goes wrong, just clear the items and the altar, and try again. Remember to take the diamonds back when you're done!

=== Divorce ===
Either partner may end a marriage at any time through an option available at an Essence of Harmony. Divorce is a completely unilateral decision -- the other partner's consent, knowledge or presence is not required.

This sometimes results in nasty property disputes and increased levels of Egyptian Drama.

== Scoring ==
You accumulate points equal to the product of the following amounts:

* The current length of the marriage (in TeppyWeeks).
* The total number of tests passed by '''your spouse''' since the marriage began.

Thus, if a marriage has lasted 8 weeks, and in that time Spouse A has passed 3 tests and the Spouse B has passed 2, Spouse A will have 8x2=16 points, while Spouse B will have 8x3=24 points.

Your ''personal'' marriage score is the sum of the scores of all the marriages you have been in so far.

Each week, the two individuals with the highest ''personal'' score pass the Test of Marriage. It is possible for only one partner in a marriage to pass in a given week, if one partner has points from a previous marriage and the other does not.

=== "Casanova" Passes ===
Not yet confirmed for T4
Having a long and productive marriage is not the only route to passing. There is a second option, which conflicts with the first. In addition to the test passes for the high marriage scorers, there are 2 additional test passes per week, and these go to the individuals who have been in the most marriages over time. These "Casanova" passes do not compete with the standard passes.

To gain credit for a marriage:
* Your spouse, '''not you,''' needs to have passed at least one test since the marriage began.
* You must remain married until your points = 1 (either for one week, or through a Sunday).
** In other words, if you marry, your spouse passes a test, and you immediately divorce with points equal to 0, you will receive no credit for the marriage.

Casanova passes are not retained from one week to the next. If there is a tie (3 or more players), the pass(es) are lost.

Talk:Mentor's Sacelum

2009-06-18T19:41:11Z

Daedilus: New page: Misspelled Word? Did he mean Sacellum? oops...

Misspelled Word?

Did he mean Sacellum? oops...

User:Daedilus

2009-06-17T17:33:08Z

Daedilus:

= '''Welcome to the Home of Daedilus.''' =

* '''Please pardon our progress as this page is under construction.'''.

My wife Tweety and I live in Khmun, our guild is Neco Per Silentium, or "to kill with silence". The name befits our remote location. More to follow as our technology level progresses.

= '''Trading Currently trading at the limit of our technology, more to come.''' =

* '''Ash / Lime / Glass'''

* '''Charcoal'''

* '''Slate'''

* '''Wood'''

* '''Dates'''

* '''Straw'''

Bulk quantities available, made to order, please send an in-game chat before the 'needed by' date.

User:Daedilus

2009-06-16T18:29:56Z

Daedilus: Removing all content from page

Who Got Speed

2009-06-11T16:24:07Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (1) || ||
|-
|2009-06-09 || 54817|| [[User:Sariel|Sariel]](6) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (2) || || || || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Who Got Speed

2009-06-11T16:23:26Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (1) || ||
|-
|2009-06-09 || 54817|| [[User:Sariel|Sariel]](6) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (2) || || || || ||
|}
|2009-06-10 ||54817 || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]](3) || || || || || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Who Got Speed

2009-06-11T12:04:26Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (1) || ||
|-
|2009-06-09 || 54817|| [[User:Sariel|Sariel]](6) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (2) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-10 || 54817|| [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]](3) || || || || || ||
|-

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Who Got Speed

2009-06-11T12:02:13Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (1) || ||
|-
|2009-06-09 || 54817|| [[User:Sariel|Sariel]](6) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (2) || || || || ||
|}
|2009-06-10 || 54817|| [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]](3) || || || || || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

User:Daedilus

2009-06-10T13:38:19Z

Daedilus:

Eeeking out a living in deepest, darkest Khmun...

All J00r Cicada Are Belong To Us!~~

User:Daedilus

2009-06-10T13:33:56Z

Daedilus: New page: Under Construction... Check back later.

Under Construction...

Check back later.

Who Got Speed

2009-06-10T13:32:32Z

Daedilus:

Who Got Speed

2009-06-09T18:58:56Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]] (1) || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Who Got Speed

2009-06-09T18:58:20Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || [[User:Daedilus|Daedilus]](1) || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T16:43:40Z

Daedilus:

This page created by JulianJaynes at the request of Robare.

== Objection to Donation procedures ==

I feel that The Goods, as it is now, has forgotten some of the core principles of The Goods. The Donation procedure artifically inflates the Goods stock levels for no benefit to the community - the value of the commodities donated are forever locked up in The Goods, effectively depressing the Egyptian economy by the same degree that the Goods is inflated. Further, it sets arbitrary starting prices for commodities that are set completely on the whims of one person, and how they view the Egyptian commodities market.

I strongly encourage the current management of The Goods to reread the page entitled, "'''Pricing Explained'''," in The Goods' website. Take special note of the, "'''Ripe For Abuse?'''" explanation at the bottom. Forcing donations completely throws this entire concept out the window.

Further, the Donation principle also effectively forces The Goods to take donations for expansions, as well - when The Goods needs another Warehouse, or expanding the Guildhouses, or what-have-you.

All of this is solved quite neatly by allowing the organizers of the Guild to pre-stock items, and carry personal balances. These balances would, naturally, get to be quite large, but it would prevent "profiteering" (which is not the bad word that some people seem to think it is - people engaged in profiteering end up benefitting The Goods). Further, these balances could be used to directly buy the materials to make expansions to the Guild. And finally, these pre-stocks would serve the same purpose as the donations - it would get large quantities of common items in The Goods stock without giving someone an "unearned" (cough) windfall; the windfall would be going to people who have a vested interest in keeping The Goods alive.

Likewise, I also object to the item maximums. This only serves to artificially stifle trade in some common commodities. While in T3, maintaining enough Chests came to be a notable problem, T4's Warehouses make some of that unnecessary - low-value, high-commodity items can go in Warehouses, while high-value, low-commodity items can go in chests.

All of this can be done by implementing The Goods as it was originally designed. All of these artificial changes that have been made have been made by people who simply do not comprehend the math involved, and are literally afraid of people using The Goods in the manner it was originally intended.

The challenge has been thrown at me - If I think The Goods is doing it wrong, do it myself. If someone who has a copy of the T2 version of The Goods webpage scripts available, and they can provide me with such a copy, I may very well take up that challenge.

--[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 21:11, 24 January 2009 (EST)

For those like me who want to know more about this donation process you should take a look at [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Guilds/The_Goods/Donation_Levels_Explained]. Currently there is no explanation of the donation process or rational on the Goods site. After reading over the history for why such a process was put in place (a very large number of new commodities were introduced mid-tale) I do not understand why such a system was put in place at this time. I agree with Nekojin's comments that the result of these donations is to permanently remove a set of resources from the trading pool, a cost that seems without justification. At this point though I do not see how they could easily back the system out even if they wanted to.--[[User:Vulpine|Vulpine]] 19:08, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I have to agree with the statements made previously regarding the donation status. I am finding that it is making it exceedingly difficult for me to acquire the goods I would like to trade for. I either have nothing of value to trade because what I do have is still on donation status, or I am unable to buy what I need because only half of the units needed to leave donation status have been donated.

I think that donating in itself is a fine and great idea, however the artificially high levels that are required for many items to leave donation status is prohibitive and we likely won't see many of the items ever leave donation status, or at least not for quite some time.

The absurd amounts of resources being requested for donations is really stifling The Goods, and what happened to the idea of getting a First Good, one of the big things touted on The Goods trading site?

While there should be a donation phase for some common items such as flax, vegetables, wood and boards is fine, having a donation status for something like Clay Domes, which people really are hunting for at this point in time only stifles the usefulness of The Goods and people will just trade on E! instead of using the services of The Goods. I know myself, I am not going to donate 4 clay domes, nor even 1, simply because I am getting no return value for something that does involve a fair amount of effort to collect the clay, investment in materiel to make the pottery deck and vault kiln (which I was '''unable''' to purchase from The Goods because of ''donation status''), and time.

Perhaps the solution could be to lower the absurdly high donation requirements by as much as 50-70%, and retroactively provide some sort of a bonus credit to anyone who has donated items so far, maybe to the tune of a First Good for each customer to make some of the stock on hand, that will at this point be unavailable for consumption, liquid again and able to freely be traded.

My 2 deben worth of sand. --[[User:ModeSix|ModeSix]] 02:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)

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I agree that it stifles free trade.

I have just recently returned to game, and have not concerned myself with the donation status of items up until this point, however; i recently came into some Golden Sun Mushrooms, for which i have no immediate use, and noticed they were in donation status.

Having bottomed out the price of Slate repeatedly, I had hoped to trade them with The Goods for some pricier items of which i am sorely in need...

Obviously that will not happen now.

I can ill afford to donate 5 of the rarest mushrooms in game for the financial convenience of one of the largest and best funded guilds in game, after having busted the bottom end of the price range in the slate "market", as it were...

The arbitrary level caps and donation status should go.

It is in direct conflict with the guilds intended role and stated mission.

New Players like myself are ill served by being forced to surrender items for free, rather than engage in trade with The Goods.

The Goods is ill served, by people with quantities of needed items being forced to trade them elsewhere, for need of their value.

The Market is ill served, by means of artificial price controls of a commodity for an enforced value, resulting in shortages, hording, and wild fire bartering on open chat with no standard of availability or alternative supply as a basis of reason.

*Isn't that WHY a Rolls Royce is worth more than a Yugo?
*Are you suggesting it is unfair for a Rolls Royce to charge the price they do, when there are 15,000 Yugo's at a lower price?
*Perhaps Rolls Royce should have to donate 5 to you before you are willing to sell one as well?

I'm sorry, but it seems a very convenient system for The Goods, and of course, like all socialism, it is done in the name of fairness and compassion...

*Perhaps a better solution to the problem would be to limit the number of goods you will buy from a 0 qty to 10 or so? This will prevent the abuse you describe of mass clinker donation from a stock lvl of zero.

Although frankly, there are problems with that scenario as well.. I can see no reason nor even the likely event of a readily available and low demand item like clinker ever being introduced mid game.

~Daedilus ~ 9 June 2009, at 14:10

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T16:36:11Z

Daedilus:

Who Got Speed

2009-06-09T16:20:24Z

Daedilus:

[[Test of the Singing Cicada | < Test of the Singing Cicada]]

Reminder: Speed is awarded once per Teppyday. It is normal that some days are skipped as a result. 

{| border="1" cellpadding="5"
! Date !! Point Cost !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed) !! Person (Speed)
|-
|2009-05-01 || 56668|| [[User:Rami|Rami]](5) ||Kabuga (6) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-02 || 58085|| [[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]](6) || [[User:Ping|Ping]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-03 || 57121|| [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]](6) || [[User:Ptahiah|Ptahiah]] (2)|| [[User:spy|spy]](4) || Ankhala(5) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-04 || 56406|| [[User:Nkuku|Nkuku]](2) || Niut(2) || '''Tulyen(7)''' || Soth(2) || '''Rosenfeuer(7)''' || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](3) ||
|-
|2009-05-05 || 59134|| TheMazeEcho(9) || Duncan(3) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]](3) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-06 || 58307|| Duncan(4) || Salrilk(1) || alexdiii (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-07 || 58831|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-08 || 57390|| '''DustyDude(7)''' || '''Kabuga(7)''' || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-10 || 61383|| [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (5) || TheMazeEcho (9+1) || Dagny(4) || Ankhala (6) || Niut (3) || Nkuku (3) ||
|-
|2009-05-11 || 59132|| Bastia(2) || Ammut (3) || [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](1) || '''Ankhala(7)''' || || ||
|-
|2009-05-12 || 60487|| evelyna(4) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (6) || Qiuyue (2) || Misty (8+1) || [[User:Ping | Ping]] (2) || ||
|-
|2009-05-13 || 61357|| '''Mebala (7)''' || Meryt (1) || ''' [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (7) ''' || Ankhala (7 + 1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-14 || 62167|| '''[[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (7)''' || '''Kiya (7)''' || Dagny (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-15 || 60573|| '''[[User:BooBoo |BooBoo]] (3)''' ||[[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-16 || 60498|| [[User:Oujoule |Oujoule]] (1) || Dagny (6) || TheMazeEcho (9+2) || Mimbojo (2) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8) || Osre (2) || Ankhala (8)
|-
|2009-05-17 || 59149|| Nkuku (4) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-18 || 59314 || TheMazeEcho (9+3) || [[User:spy|spy]] (5) || Niut (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-20 || 58703 || DustyDude(8) || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (8+1) || '''Dagny (7)''' || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-21 || 58132 || Misty (9) || Qiuyue (3) || [[User:Mayanah|Mayanah]](2) || [[User:EvilSnowman|Evil Snowman]](1) || || ||
|-
|2009-05-22 ||57618 || Till (4) || [[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (4)|| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-23 || 58866 || [[User:Shunkaha |Shunkaha]] (9) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-24 || 59173 || '''Moses (7)''' || Draconia (4) || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-26 || 58578|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (2) |||| || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-27 || 59070|| TheMazeEcho(10) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-28 || 59070|| Ptahiah(3) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-29 || 58774|| [[User:Chrido|Chrido]](2) || [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] (4) || Qiuyue (4) || || || ||
|-
|2009-05-30 || 59016|| '''[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] (7)''' || Bastia (3) || [[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](5)|| || || ||
|-
|2009-05-31 || 60043|| [[User:Udjai|Udjai]] (5) || || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-01 || 60308 || Misty (9+1) ||Mariamom (1) || || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-02 || 59362|| [[User:Jarunik|Jarunik]] (3) || [[User:Shuofthefieryheat | Shuofthefieryheat]] (2)|| Draconia (5) || || || ||
|-
|2009-06-03 || 57763 || [[User:BooBoo|BooBoo]] (4) || Osre (3) ||[[User:CelAmun|CelAmun]](6)|| DiamondDust(9) || || ||
|-
|2009-06-04 || 56797 || [[User:Jalava|Jalava]] (1) ||PetruxII (1) || Sirael (4) ||[[User:Sariel|Sariel]] (5) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-05|| 56269 || Misty (9+2)|| TheMazeEcho (10+1) || Sirael (5) || AbuTaid (1)|| || ||
|-
||2009-06-07|| 57456 || Qiuyue (5) || Maevre (3)|| Lauroleus (4) || Sirael (6) || || ||
|-
||2009-06-08|| 57282 || Farnite (1) || [[User:Khaemwaset|Khaemwaset]] (1) || '''Sirael (7)''' || [[User:BlueGrass|BlueGrass]] (8+1) || Daedilus (1) || ||
|}

'''Bold''' names indicate a test pass.

'''Hint:''' Great for Prophet Test.

== Previous Months ==
[[Who_Got_Speed/January_09|January 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/February_09|February 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/March_09|March 2009]] 
[[Who_Got_Speed/April_09|April 2009]]

[[Image:cage_cost.jpg|100px|thumb|left|T2, 3 and 4 costs]]

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T14:30:32Z

Daedilus: /* Objection to Donation procedures */

This page created by JulianJaynes at the request of Robare.

== Objection to Donation procedures ==

I feel that The Goods, as it is now, has forgotten some of the core principles of The Goods. The Donation procedure artifically inflates the Goods stock levels for no benefit to the community - the value of the commodities donated are forever locked up in The Goods, effectively depressing the Egyptian economy by the same degree that the Goods is inflated. Further, it sets arbitrary starting prices for commodities that are set completely on the whims of one person, and how they view the Egyptian commodities market.

I strongly encourage the current management of The Goods to reread the page entitled, "'''Pricing Explained'''," in The Goods' website. Take special note of the, "'''Ripe For Abuse?'''" explanation at the bottom. Forcing donations completely throws this entire concept out the window.

Further, the Donation principle also effectively forces The Goods to take donations for expansions, as well - when The Goods needs another Warehouse, or expanding the Guildhouses, or what-have-you.

All of this is solved quite neatly by allowing the organizers of the Guild to pre-stock items, and carry personal balances. These balances would, naturally, get to be quite large, but it would prevent "profiteering" (which is not the bad word that some people seem to think it is - people engaged in profiteering end up benefitting The Goods). Further, these balances could be used to directly buy the materials to make expansions to the Guild. And finally, these pre-stocks would serve the same purpose as the donations - it would get large quantities of common items in The Goods stock without giving someone an "unearned" (cough) windfall; the windfall would be going to people who have a vested interest in keeping The Goods alive.

Likewise, I also object to the item maximums. This only serves to artificially stifle trade in some common commodities. While in T3, maintaining enough Chests came to be a notable problem, T4's Warehouses make some of that unnecessary - low-value, high-commodity items can go in Warehouses, while high-value, low-commodity items can go in chests.

All of this can be done by implementing The Goods as it was originally designed. All of these artificial changes that have been made have been made by people who simply do not comprehend the math involved, and are literally afraid of people using The Goods in the manner it was originally intended.

The challenge has been thrown at me - If I think The Goods is doing it wrong, do it myself. If someone who has a copy of the T2 version of The Goods webpage scripts available, and they can provide me with such a copy, I may very well take up that challenge.

--[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 21:11, 24 January 2009 (EST)

For those like me who want to know more about this donation process you should take a look at [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Guilds/The_Goods/Donation_Levels_Explained]. Currently there is no explanation of the donation process or rational on the Goods site. After reading over the history for why such a process was put in place (a very large number of new commodities were introduced mid-tale) I do not understand why such a system was put in place at this time. I agree with Nekojin's comments that the result of these donations is to permanently remove a set of resources from the trading pool, a cost that seems without justification. At this point though I do not see how they could easily back the system out even if they wanted to.--[[User:Vulpine|Vulpine]] 19:08, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I have to agree with the statements made previously regarding the donation status. I am finding that it is making it exceedingly difficult for me to acquire the goods I would like to trade for. I either have nothing of value to trade because what I do have is still on donation status, or I am unable to buy what I need because only half of the units needed to leave donation status have been donated.

I think that donating in itself is a fine and great idea, however the artificially high levels that are required for many items to leave donation status is prohibitive and we likely won't see many of the items ever leave donation status, or at least not for quite some time.

The absurd amounts of resources being requested for donations is really stifling The Goods, and what happened to the idea of getting a First Good, one of the big things touted on The Goods trading site?

While there should be a donation phase for some common items such as flax, vegetables, wood and boards is fine, having a donation status for something like Clay Domes, which people really are hunting for at this point in time only stifles the usefulness of The Goods and people will just trade on E! instead of using the services of The Goods. I know myself, I am not going to donate 4 clay domes, nor even 1, simply because I am getting no return value for something that does involve a fair amount of effort to collect the clay, investment in materiel to make the pottery deck and vault kiln (which I was '''unable''' to purchase from The Goods because of ''donation status''), and time.

Perhaps the solution could be to lower the absurdly high donation requirements by as much as 50-70%, and retroactively provide some sort of a bonus credit to anyone who has donated items so far, maybe to the tune of a First Good for each customer to make some of the stock on hand, that will at this point be unavailable for consumption, liquid again and able to freely be traded.

My 2 deben worth of sand. --[[User:ModeSix|ModeSix]] 02:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree that it stifles free trade.

I have just recently returned to game, and have not concerned myself with the donation status of items up until this point, however; i recently came into some Golden Sun Mushrooms, for which i have no immediate use, and noticed they were in donation status.

Having bottomed out the price of Slate repeatedly, I had hoped to trade them with The Goods for some pricier items of which i am sorely in need...

Obviously that will not happen now.

I can ill afford to donate 5 of the rarest mushrooms in game for the financial convenience of one of the largest and best funded guilds in game, after having busted the bottom end of the price range in the slate "market", as it were...

The arbitrary level caps and donation status should go.

It is in direct conflict with the guilds intended role and stated mission.

New Players like myself are ill served by being forced to surrender items for free, rather than engage in trade with The Goods.

The Goods is ill served, by people with quantities of needed items being forced to trade them elsewhere, for need of their value.

The Market is ill served, by means of artificial price controls of a commodity for an enforced value, resulting in shortages, hording, and wild fire bartering on open chat with no standard of availability or alternative supply as a basis of reason.

*Excuse me, but isn't that WHY a Rolls Royce is worth more than a Yugo?
*Are you suggesting it is unfair for a Rolls Royce to charge the price they do, when there are 15,000 Yugo's at a lower price?
*Perhaps Rolls Royce should have to donate 5 to you before you are willing to sell one as well?

I'm sorry, but it seems a very convenient system for The Goods, and of course, like all socialism, it is done in the name of fairness and compassion...

~Daedilus ~ 9 June 2009, at 14:10

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T14:29:01Z

Daedilus: /* Objection to Donation procedures */

This page created by JulianJaynes at the request of Robare.

== Objection to Donation procedures ==

I feel that The Goods, as it is now, has forgotten some of the core principles of The Goods. The Donation procedure artifically inflates the Goods stock levels for no benefit to the community - the value of the commodities donated are forever locked up in The Goods, effectively depressing the Egyptian economy by the same degree that the Goods is inflated. Further, it sets arbitrary starting prices for commodities that are set completely on the whims of one person, and how they view the Egyptian commodities market.

I strongly encourage the current management of The Goods to reread the page entitled, "'''Pricing Explained'''," in The Goods' website. Take special note of the, "'''Ripe For Abuse?'''" explanation at the bottom. Forcing donations completely throws this entire concept out the window.

Further, the Donation principle also effectively forces The Goods to take donations for expansions, as well - when The Goods needs another Warehouse, or expanding the Guildhouses, or what-have-you.

All of this is solved quite neatly by allowing the organizers of the Guild to pre-stock items, and carry personal balances. These balances would, naturally, get to be quite large, but it would prevent "profiteering" (which is not the bad word that some people seem to think it is - people engaged in profiteering end up benefitting The Goods). Further, these balances could be used to directly buy the materials to make expansions to the Guild. And finally, these pre-stocks would serve the same purpose as the donations - it would get large quantities of common items in The Goods stock without giving someone an "unearned" (cough) windfall; the windfall would be going to people who have a vested interest in keeping The Goods alive.

Likewise, I also object to the item maximums. This only serves to artificially stifle trade in some common commodities. While in T3, maintaining enough Chests came to be a notable problem, T4's Warehouses make some of that unnecessary - low-value, high-commodity items can go in Warehouses, while high-value, low-commodity items can go in chests.

All of this can be done by implementing The Goods as it was originally designed. All of these artificial changes that have been made have been made by people who simply do not comprehend the math involved, and are literally afraid of people using The Goods in the manner it was originally intended.

The challenge has been thrown at me - If I think The Goods is doing it wrong, do it myself. If someone who has a copy of the T2 version of The Goods webpage scripts available, and they can provide me with such a copy, I may very well take up that challenge.

--[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 21:11, 24 January 2009 (EST)

For those like me who want to know more about this donation process you should take a look at [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Guilds/The_Goods/Donation_Levels_Explained]. Currently there is no explanation of the donation process or rational on the Goods site. After reading over the history for why such a process was put in place (a very large number of new commodities were introduced mid-tale) I do not understand why such a system was put in place at this time. I agree with Nekojin's comments that the result of these donations is to permanently remove a set of resources from the trading pool, a cost that seems without justification. At this point though I do not see how they could easily back the system out even if they wanted to.--[[User:Vulpine|Vulpine]] 19:08, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I have to agree with the statements made previously regarding the donation status. I am finding that it is making it exceedingly difficult for me to acquire the goods I would like to trade for. I either have nothing of value to trade because what I do have is still on donation status, or I am unable to buy what I need because only half of the units needed to leave donation status have been donated.

I think that donating in itself is a fine and great idea, however the artificially high levels that are required for many items to leave donation status is prohibitive and we likely won't see many of the items ever leave donation status, or at least not for quite some time.

The absurd amounts of resources being requested for donations is really stifling The Goods, and what happened to the idea of getting a First Good, one of the big things touted on The Goods trading site?

While there should be a donation phase for some common items such as flax, vegetables, wood and boards is fine, having a donation status for something like Clay Domes, which people really are hunting for at this point in time only stifles the usefulness of The Goods and people will just trade on E! instead of using the services of The Goods. I know myself, I am not going to donate 4 clay domes, nor even 1, simply because I am getting no return value for something that does involve a fair amount of effort to collect the clay, investment in materiel to make the pottery deck and vault kiln (which I was '''unable''' to purchase from The Goods because of ''donation status''), and time.

Perhaps the solution could be to lower the absurdly high donation requirements by as much as 50-70%, and retroactively provide some sort of a bonus credit to anyone who has donated items so far, maybe to the tune of a First Good for each customer to make some of the stock on hand, that will at this point be unavailable for consumption, liquid again and able to freely be traded.

My 2 deben worth of sand. --[[User:ModeSix|ModeSix]] 02:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree that it stifles free trade.

I have just recently returned to game, and have not concerned myself with the donation status of items up until this point, however; i recently came into some Golden Sun Mushrooms, for which i have no immediate use, and noticed they were in donation status.

Having bottomed out the price of Slate repeatedly, I had hoped to trade them with The Goods for some pricier items of which i am sorely in need...

Obviously that will not happen now.

I can ill afford to donate 5 of the rarest mushrooms in game for the financial convenience of one of the largest and best funded guilds in game, after having busted the bottom end of the price range in the slate "market", as it were...

The arbitrary level caps and donation status should go.

It is in direct conflict with the guilds intended role and stated mission.

New Players like myself are ill served by being forced to surrender items for free, rather than engage in trade with The Goods.

The Goods is ill served, by people with quantities of needed items being forced to trade them elsewhere, for need of their value.

The Market is ill served, by means of artificial price controls of a commodity for an enforced value, resulting in shortages, hording, and wild fire bartering on open chat with no standard of availability or alternative supply as a basis of reason.

*Excuse me, but isn't that WHY a Rolls Royce is worth more than a Yugo?
*Are you suggesting it is unfair for a Rolls Royce to charge the price they do, when there are 15,000 Yugo's at a lower price?
*Perhaps Rolls Royce should have to donate 5 to you before you are willing to sell one as well?

I'm sorry, but it seems a very convenient system for you, and of course, like all socialism, it is done in the name of fairness and compassion...

~Daedilus ~ 9 June 2009, at 14:10

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T14:11:33Z

Daedilus: /* Objection to Donation procedures */

Talk:Guilds/The Goods

2009-06-09T14:10:39Z

Daedilus: /* Objection to Donation procedures */

Khmun Obelisk Queue

2009-06-01T14:54:05Z

Daedilus: /* The Desert Obelisk Queue */

== Obelisk Queue ==
*This page contains the queue lists for '''Desert Obelisk''', '''Cut Stone Obelisk''' and '''Hardwood Obelisk'''
*Find the '''Metallic Obelisk''' queue at this link [[Khmun_Metallic_Obelisk|Metallic Obelisk]]

This is the queue for the test of the obelisk in Khmun. Orenwolf is currently maintaining desert Queue, however as with any page, anyone is welcome to update the page with up-to-date information if it is available.

I've added a column for size of the obelisk. Please make an additional note detailing the offending player(s) if you get jumped so that we can keep track of players violating the queue. -Shulpan

'''You must be ready to build within 60 minutes of your turn''' in the queue, or you get jumped. Please monitor the queue and be aware of the expected pass time. If you do not '''login within 24 hours''' of the expected passtime of the person in front of you, you will be jumped in the queue. Additionally, if you are offline for '''5 days or more''' at the time of your turn, you will also be automatically jumped.

If you are jumped, but have indicated you are "ready", you will be placed at below the last "ready" person. If you were not ready, then you are placed at the bottom of the queue.

Note that it is YOUR responsibility to contact those above you in the queue to determine if they have passed, and also to notify the person below you in the queue once you have passed as well.

PLEASE ensure that you ensure that the person with the current Obelisk has in fact passed before you build! /chat them directly, or ask in regional chat. The approximate pass time for the Desert Obelisk is 2.33 RL Days (56 hours).

Please do NOT jump the queue we ALL lose.

Luci has created a [http://www.lucindrea.com/atitd-process.xls Desert Obelisk Worksheet] For us to use.

== '''The Desert Obelisk Queue''' ==

UPDATE: June 1, 09.

The Khmun "obelisk queue" is defunct, or at least suspended... The organizers have not logged into the game in sometime, and at this point you are best served by announcing your intentions to build an obelisk for test in Regional Chat, several times over the 3 day test period prior to your actual construction.

Meditating on the obelisks to make sure the largest has not changed during that period of notification is advisable as well.

Current largest desert Obelisk is mine, which *should* finish the test period sometime today (6/1/09).

Current largest Metallic Obelisk is Taemon i believe, which has the full test period to go yet.

Please update this info if you intend to test.

Thank you!~

Updated: March 8th by [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|+
*Built: Obelisk Constructed
*Waiting: Active and eligible to build
*Absent: 5 days or more offline, ineligible to build
!Name
!Status
!Ready?
!Size?
!Complete?
!Comments
|-
|Jingle
|Built
|Yes
|50
|Yes
|Passed Akhet II-27
|-
|Belfalas
|Built
|Yes
|66
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|proserpina
|Built
|Yes
|67
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Bunnita
|Built
|Yes
|68
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Hobart
|Built
|Yes
|69
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Tekayfotuwan
|Built
|Yes
|70
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Pageot
|Built
|Yes
|72
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-8
|-
|Creed
|Built
|Yes
|73
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-15
|-
|Shulpan
|Built
|Yes
|74
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-23
|-
|Styxx
|Built
|Yes
|75
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-1
|-
|orenwolf
|Built
|Yes
|76
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-8
|-
|Anqetamunet
|Built
|Yes
|77
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-17
|-
|Sedjet
|Built
|Yes
|78
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-5
|-
|Oldwon
|Built
|Yes
|79
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-16
|-
|Gabrielnight
|Absent
|Yes
|?
|No
|Last Online: 12 days ago
|-
|}
Thanks.
-- [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]

== '''Cut Stone Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Materials Ready?
!Build Date
!Passed?
!Comment
|-
|-
|7
|Sharae
|yes
|Built Peret III-30, 4:28pm
|PASSED Peret IV-21, 4:28pm
|Done
|-
|8
|Tor el-Wati
|yes
|Built Peret IV-23, 11:33pm
|Passed
|done
|-
|9
|RexEverything
|Yes
|Built Shemu I-21 9:00 PM
|Passed
|Done, notified Atma
|-
|10
|Atma
|No
|None
|Offline for nearly a month. skipping.
|.
|-
|12
|Lejoni
|Yes
|Built Shemu IV-18 3:45AM
|Passed
|Done
|+
|-
|13
|Zuati
|Yes
|Built Akhet II-2, 2:46AM
|7 days 'til passes
|.

|}

== '''The Hardwood Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Est. Build Time
!Have Materials Ready Now?
!Complete?
!Comment
|-
|7
|Terg
|Built on February 26,2009 at 20:00 GTM-5 (Eastern)
|Materials Ready and erected on (Year 1, Peret III-28, 4:12 AM)
|Passed
|
|-
|8
|kapetanissa
|erected march 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm est
|built egypt time year 1, Peret IV-26, 4:30 pm
|Passed
|-
|9
|Equita
|Built on March 28,2009 at 3:47 pm Central Time
|Year 1, Shemu II-16, 10:30am
|Passed
|-
|10
|doctoriono
|n/a
|Yes
|Waiting to build
|-}
|14
|Taemon
|Built May 31, 13:23 GMT
Year 1, Akhet IV-5, 1:24pm
|Built
|Chewing nails
|-
[[Guilds/Khmunity|Khmunity]]

Khmun Obelisk Queue

2009-06-01T14:10:36Z

Daedilus: /* The Desert Obelisk Queue */

== Obelisk Queue ==
*This page contains the queue lists for '''Desert Obelisk''', '''Cut Stone Obelisk''' and '''Hardwood Obelisk'''
*Find the '''Metallic Obelisk''' queue at this link [[Khmun_Metallic_Obelisk|Metallic Obelisk]]

This is the queue for the test of the obelisk in Khmun. Orenwolf is currently maintaining desert Queue, however as with any page, anyone is welcome to update the page with up-to-date information if it is available.

I've added a column for size of the obelisk. Please make an additional note detailing the offending player(s) if you get jumped so that we can keep track of players violating the queue. -Shulpan

'''You must be ready to build within 60 minutes of your turn''' in the queue, or you get jumped. Please monitor the queue and be aware of the expected pass time. If you do not '''login within 24 hours''' of the expected passtime of the person in front of you, you will be jumped in the queue. Additionally, if you are offline for '''5 days or more''' at the time of your turn, you will also be automatically jumped.

If you are jumped, but have indicated you are "ready", you will be placed at below the last "ready" person. If you were not ready, then you are placed at the bottom of the queue.

Note that it is YOUR responsibility to contact those above you in the queue to determine if they have passed, and also to notify the person below you in the queue once you have passed as well.

PLEASE ensure that you ensure that the person with the current Obelisk has in fact passed before you build! /chat them directly, or ask in regional chat. The approximate pass time for the Desert Obelisk is 2.33 RL Days (56 hours).

Please do NOT jump the queue we ALL lose.

Luci has created a [http://www.lucindrea.com/atitd-process.xls Desert Obelisk Worksheet] For us to use.

== '''The Desert Obelisk Queue''' ==

UPDATE: June 1, 09.

The Khmun "obelisk queue" is defunct, or at least suspended... The organizers have not logged into the game in sometime, and at this point you are best served by announcing your intentions to build an obelisk for test in Regional Chat, for several nights over the 3 day test period prior to your actual construction.

Meditating on the obelisks to make sure the largest has not changed during that period of notification is advisable as well.

Current largest desert Obelisk is mine, which *should* finish the test period sometime today (6/1/09).

Current largest Metallic Obelisk is Taemon i believe, which has the full test period to go yet.

Please update this info if you intend to test.

Thank you!~

Updated: March 8th by [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|+
*Built: Obelisk Constructed
*Waiting: Active and eligible to build
*Absent: 5 days or more offline, ineligible to build
!Name
!Status
!Ready?
!Size?
!Complete?
!Comments
|-
|Jingle
|Built
|Yes
|50
|Yes
|Passed Akhet II-27
|-
|Belfalas
|Built
|Yes
|66
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|proserpina
|Built
|Yes
|67
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Bunnita
|Built
|Yes
|68
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Hobart
|Built
|Yes
|69
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Tekayfotuwan
|Built
|Yes
|70
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Pageot
|Built
|Yes
|72
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-8
|-
|Creed
|Built
|Yes
|73
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-15
|-
|Shulpan
|Built
|Yes
|74
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-23
|-
|Styxx
|Built
|Yes
|75
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-1
|-
|orenwolf
|Built
|Yes
|76
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-8
|-
|Anqetamunet
|Built
|Yes
|77
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-17
|-
|Sedjet
|Built
|Yes
|78
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-5
|-
|Oldwon
|Built
|Yes
|79
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-16
|-
|Gabrielnight
|Absent
|Yes
|?
|No
|Last Online: 12 days ago
|-
|}
Thanks.
-- [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]

== '''Cut Stone Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Materials Ready?
!Build Date
!Passed?
!Comment
|-
|-
|7
|Sharae
|yes
|Built Peret III-30, 4:28pm
|PASSED Peret IV-21, 4:28pm
|Done
|-
|8
|Tor el-Wati
|yes
|Built Peret IV-23, 11:33pm
|Passed
|done
|-
|9
|RexEverything
|Yes
|Built Shemu I-21 9:00 PM
|Passed
|Done, notified Atma
|-
|10
|Atma
|No
|None
|Offline for nearly a month. skipping.
|.
|-
|12
|Lejoni
|Yes
|Built Shemu IV-18 3:45AM
|Passed
|Done
|+
|-
|13
|Zuati
|Yes
|Built Akhet II-2, 2:46AM
|7 days 'til passes
|.

|}

== '''The Hardwood Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Est. Build Time
!Have Materials Ready Now?
!Complete?
!Comment
|-
|7
|Terg
|Built on February 26,2009 at 20:00 GTM-5 (Eastern)
|Materials Ready and erected on (Year 1, Peret III-28, 4:12 AM)
|Passed
|
|-
|8
|kapetanissa
|erected march 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm est
|built egypt time year 1, Peret IV-26, 4:30 pm
|Passed
|-
|9
|Equita
|Built on March 28,2009 at 3:47 pm Central Time
|Year 1, Shemu II-16, 10:30am
|Passed
|-
|10
|doctoriono
|n/a
|Yes
|Waiting to build
|-}
|14
|Taemon
|Built May 31, 13:23 GMT
Year 1, Akhet IV-5, 1:24pm
|Built
|Chewing nails
|-
[[Guilds/Khmunity|Khmunity]]

Khmun Obelisk Queue

2009-06-01T14:09:38Z

Daedilus: /* The Desert Obelisk Queue */

== Obelisk Queue ==
*This page contains the queue lists for '''Desert Obelisk''', '''Cut Stone Obelisk''' and '''Hardwood Obelisk'''
*Find the '''Metallic Obelisk''' queue at this link [[Khmun_Metallic_Obelisk|Metallic Obelisk]]

This is the queue for the test of the obelisk in Khmun. Orenwolf is currently maintaining desert Queue, however as with any page, anyone is welcome to update the page with up-to-date information if it is available.

I've added a column for size of the obelisk. Please make an additional note detailing the offending player(s) if you get jumped so that we can keep track of players violating the queue. -Shulpan

'''You must be ready to build within 60 minutes of your turn''' in the queue, or you get jumped. Please monitor the queue and be aware of the expected pass time. If you do not '''login within 24 hours''' of the expected passtime of the person in front of you, you will be jumped in the queue. Additionally, if you are offline for '''5 days or more''' at the time of your turn, you will also be automatically jumped.

If you are jumped, but have indicated you are "ready", you will be placed at below the last "ready" person. If you were not ready, then you are placed at the bottom of the queue.

Note that it is YOUR responsibility to contact those above you in the queue to determine if they have passed, and also to notify the person below you in the queue once you have passed as well.

PLEASE ensure that you ensure that the person with the current Obelisk has in fact passed before you build! /chat them directly, or ask in regional chat. The approximate pass time for the Desert Obelisk is 2.33 RL Days (56 hours).

Please do NOT jump the queue we ALL lose.

Luci has created a [http://www.lucindrea.com/atitd-process.xls Desert Obelisk Worksheet] For us to use.

== '''The Desert Obelisk Queue''' ==

UPDATE: June 1, 09.

The Khmun "obelisk queue" is defunct, or at least suspended... The organizers have not logged into the game in sometime, and at this point you are best served by announcing your intentions to build an obelisk for test in Regional Chat, for several nights over the 3 day test period prior to your actual construction.

Meditating on the obelisks to make sure the largest has not changes during that period of notification is advisable as well.

Current largest desert Obelisk is mine, which *should* finish the test period sometime today (6/1/09).

Current largest Metallic Obelisk is Taemon i believe, which has the full test period to go yet.

Please update this info if you intend to test.

Thank you!~

Updated: March 8th by [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|+
*Built: Obelisk Constructed
*Waiting: Active and eligible to build
*Absent: 5 days or more offline, ineligible to build
!Name
!Status
!Ready?
!Size?
!Complete?
!Comments
|-
|Jingle
|Built
|Yes
|50
|Yes
|Passed Akhet II-27
|-
|Belfalas
|Built
|Yes
|66
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|proserpina
|Built
|Yes
|67
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Bunnita
|Built
|Yes
|68
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Hobart
|Built
|Yes
|69
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Tekayfotuwan
|Built
|Yes
|70
|Yes
|Passed
|-
|Pageot
|Built
|Yes
|72
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-8
|-
|Creed
|Built
|Yes
|73
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-15
|-
|Shulpan
|Built
|Yes
|74
|Yes
|Passed Peret II-23
|-
|Styxx
|Built
|Yes
|75
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-1
|-
|orenwolf
|Built
|Yes
|76
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-8
|-
|Anqetamunet
|Built
|Yes
|77
|Yes
|Passed Peret III-17
|-
|Sedjet
|Built
|Yes
|78
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-5
|-
|Oldwon
|Built
|Yes
|79
|Yes
|Passed Peret IV-16
|-
|Gabrielnight
|Absent
|Yes
|?
|No
|Last Online: 12 days ago
|-
|}
Thanks.
-- [[User:Orenwolf|orenwolf]]

== '''Cut Stone Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Materials Ready?
!Build Date
!Passed?
!Comment
|-
|-
|7
|Sharae
|yes
|Built Peret III-30, 4:28pm
|PASSED Peret IV-21, 4:28pm
|Done
|-
|8
|Tor el-Wati
|yes
|Built Peret IV-23, 11:33pm
|Passed
|done
|-
|9
|RexEverything
|Yes
|Built Shemu I-21 9:00 PM
|Passed
|Done, notified Atma
|-
|10
|Atma
|No
|None
|Offline for nearly a month. skipping.
|.
|-
|12
|Lejoni
|Yes
|Built Shemu IV-18 3:45AM
|Passed
|Done
|+
|-
|13
|Zuati
|Yes
|Built Akhet II-2, 2:46AM
|7 days 'til passes
|.

|}

== '''The Hardwood Obelisk Queue''' ==
{| border="3" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0"
|-
!Cubits
!Name
!width="20%" | Est. Build Time
!Have Materials Ready Now?
!Complete?
!Comment
|-
|7
|Terg
|Built on February 26,2009 at 20:00 GTM-5 (Eastern)
|Materials Ready and erected on (Year 1, Peret III-28, 4:12 AM)
|Passed
|
|-
|8
|kapetanissa
|erected march 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm est
|built egypt time year 1, Peret IV-26, 4:30 pm
|Passed
|-
|9
|Equita
|Built on March 28,2009 at 3:47 pm Central Time
|Year 1, Shemu II-16, 10:30am
|Passed
|-
|10
|doctoriono
|n/a
|Yes
|Waiting to build
|-}
|14
|Taemon
|Built May 31, 13:23 GMT
Year 1, Akhet IV-5, 1:24pm
|Built
|Chewing nails
|-
[[Guilds/Khmunity|Khmunity]]

Test of Marriage

2009-05-29T20:12:22Z

Daedilus: /* Overview */

== Overview ==
''The Test of Marriage is perhaps the easiest challenge you will have. Be forewarned, however: A spouse can use and dispose of your goods as they see fit, and can even log in as you!''

'''New for T4''': Same-sex marriages!

'''Q.Is the above a joke, or serious?'''

== Principles ==
* Witness a wedding (see The Ceremony) requirement.)
* Introduce yourself to a potential mate (click on a player avatar of the opposite gender)
* Have a potential mate introduce themselves

'''NOTE:''' Completing a marriage ceremony as a bride/groom participant also satisfies the principle.

=== Demonstrate the Principle ===
What it took to unlock the test for Egypt:

''Demonstrated by PetruxII in Nomad's Paradise on 2009-01-11.''

== Details ==
The Test of Marriage is passed by being part of a (or a series of - see [[#Casanova Passes|Casanova Passes]]) 'successful' marriage(s). See the Scoring section for more detailed information.

Being married allows your spouse to:

* ''Spouse Warp'' to your location without the need for use of Travel Time. (If the spouse is offline, you travel to their last location)
* Freely access your belongings and buildings.
* Log into your avatar through the Utilities menu, and play as you with no limitations or restrictions, other than being unable to access the billing menu and password functions.

=== Marriage Ceremony ===
At a [[Common Altar]]:

* One person should clear the altar of any items, and meditate at it in order to clear and reset any previous interactions with it.
* The first partner places a medium diamond on the focus on the statue's left hand.
* The second partner places a medium diamond on the focus on the statue's right hand.
* Five witnesses click on the altar and choose to 'meditate'. The witnesses all need to meditate within a few seconds of each other, else it may be necessary to restart the ceremony.
** The couple themselves do not meditate as part of the ceremony.

If you hear music, the ceremony was a success. If something goes wrong, just clear the items and the altar, and try again. Remember to take the diamonds back when you're done!

=== Divorce ===
Either partner may end a marriage at any time through an option available at an Essence of Harmony. Divorce is a completely unilateral decision -- the other partner's consent, knowledge or presence is not required.

This sometimes results in nasty property disputes and increased levels of Egyptian Drama.

== Scoring ==
You accumulate points equal to the product of the following amounts:

* The current length of the marriage (in TeppyWeeks).
* The total number of tests passed by '''your spouse''' since the marriage began.

Thus, if a marriage has lasted 8 weeks, and in that time Spouse A has passed 3 tests and the Spouse B has passed 2, Spouse A will have 8x2=16 points, while Spouse B will have 8x3=24 points.

Your ''personal'' marriage score is the sum of the scores of all the marriages you have been in so far.

Each week, the two individuals with the highest ''personal'' score pass the Test of Marriage. It is possible for only one partner in a marriage to pass in a given week, if one partner has points from a previous marriage and the other does not.

=== "Casanova" Passes ===
Not yet confirmed for T4
Having a long and productive marriage is not the only route to passing. There is a second option, which conflicts with the first. In addition to the test passes for the high marriage scorers, there are 2 additional test passes per week, and these go to the individuals who have been in the most marriages over time. These "Casanova" passes do not compete with the standard passes.

To gain credit for a marriage:
* Your spouse, '''not you,''' needs to have passed at least one test since the marriage began.
* You must remain married until your points = 1 (either for one week, or through a Sunday).
** In other words, if you marry, your spouse passes a test, and you immediately divorce with points equal to 0, you will receive no credit for the marriage.

Casanova passes are not retained from one week to the next. If there is a tie (3 or more players), the pass(es) are lost.

Talk:Tech Tree

2009-05-29T13:42:16Z

Daedilus: New page: If someone knows how to format this spreadsheet, could we include a column for "Level Available"... would cut down on run time checking universities that have nothing ready for you yet. ~~...

If someone knows how to format this spreadsheet, could we include a column for "Level Available"... would cut down on run time checking universities that have nothing ready for you yet. ~~thanks.

Talk:Technologies

2009-05-29T13:39:49Z

Daedilus:

'''Q: Is there a single page where we have listed all the techs open in each region?'''

We had a great page in T3 that listed everything on one page - so you could see which region had the most items open at a glance. It was in a table format. I dont know how it was created or how it was maintained but it was terrific for knowing where to go for Tech Runs.

The Research Page is not very good at showing you what is already un-locked. Plus sifting thru each region to see what is open is not ez to figure out.

Update: I just found the page:
[[Research_by_Region]]

once it is open I think it is no longer "research" and should be listed on this page, this page currently is little more than a manualy updated catagory page --[[User:Strutter|strutter]] 00:58, 23 December 2008 (EST)

The page [[Research_by_Region]] now has a really great table listing of what's been opened or on a timer which is great. So, is it the page name with "research" in it that is the issue? If the name of the link bothers you, it could be changed to something else using the linkage rename feature <nowiki>[[Main_Page|different text]]</nowiki> . Of course the real name of the page would still have "research" in it. --[[User:Shuofthefieryheat|shuofthefieryheat]] 16:19, 4 January 2009 (EST)

'''Q. Is there a list which shows technologies as they are available by level??? I have been unable to find it if there is.'''

Coconut Tree

2009-05-27T22:53:57Z

Daedilus:

<googlemap lat=1010 lon=0 zoom=1 width=512 height=
512
icon="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker.png" icons="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker{label}.png" iconsize="32x32" iconanchor'"9x32" iconlabels="A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, Ball,Cir,Dot,DP,Pin,PP,bee,beetle,camel,cobra,drink,fire,fish,flower,GH,grape,plus,pyramid,sheep,tick, Ag,Al,An,Au,Co,Cu,Fe,Go,Ir,Le,Li,Ma,Mg,Pb,Pl,Pt,Sb,Si,Sn,Sr,St,Ti,Tn,Tu,W,Zi,Zn">

(PuT) -1412,4438, Coconut Tree Normad´s Paradise? 1418, 1962

(PuT) 1380,3867, Coconut Tree Stillwater 1380,3867

(PuT) 1756,1801, 1 Coconut Tree Shabbat Ab 1418, 1962

(PuT) 4326,-479, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4326,-479??
(PuT) 4173,-355 3 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4173,-355
(PuT) 4835,-355, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4835,-344

(PuT) 704,-1300, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 704,-1300
(PuT) 1010,-819, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 1010,-819
(PuT) 906,-847, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 906,-847
(PuT) 858,-1015, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 858,-1015
(PuT) 804,-1128, 2 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 804,-1128
(PuT) 842,-1278, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 842,-1278

(PuT) 2356,7759, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 2356,7759
(PuT) 1551,7442, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1551,7442
(PuT) 931,6927, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 931,6927
(PuT) 924,6457, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 924,6457
(PuT) 1063,6324, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1063,6324
(PuT) 990,5796, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 990,5796

(PuT) 455,-5832, 2 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 453,-5830
(PuT) 526,-6170, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 526,-6170
(PuT) 480,-5825, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 480,-5825

(PuT) -2715,-2846, 1 Coconut Tree Meroe -2715,-2846

(PuT) -1585,-1303, 1 Coconut Tree Khmun -2715,-2846
(PuT) -1675,-1160, 1 Coconut Tree Khmun -1675,-1160

</googlemap>

[[Map of Coconut Trees]]

[[Category:Atlas]]
[[Category:Resources]]

Coconut Tree

2009-05-27T22:49:57Z

Daedilus:

<googlemap lat=1010 lon=0 zoom=1 width=512 height=
512
icon="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker.png" icons="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker{label}.png" iconsize="32x32" iconanchor'"9x32" iconlabels="A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, Ball,Cir,Dot,DP,Pin,PP,bee,beetle,camel,cobra,drink,fire,fish,flower,GH,grape,plus,pyramid,sheep,tick, Ag,Al,An,Au,Co,Cu,Fe,Go,Ir,Le,Li,Ma,Mg,Pb,Pl,Pt,Sb,Si,Sn,Sr,St,Ti,Tn,Tu,W,Zi,Zn">

(PuT) -1412,4438, Coconut Tree Normad´s Paradise? 1418, 1962

(PuT) 1380,3867, Coconut Tree Stillwater 1380,3867

(PuT) 1756,1801, 1 Coconut Tree Shabbat Ab 1418, 1962

(PuT) 4326,-479, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4326,-479??
(PuT) 4173,-355 3 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4173,-355
(PuT) 4835,-355, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4835,-344

(PuT) 704,-1300, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 704,-1300
(PuT) 1010,-819, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 1010,-819
(PuT) 906,-847, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 906,-847
(PuT) 858,-1015, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 858,-1015
(PuT) 804,-1128, 2 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 804,-1128
(PuT) 842,-1278, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 842,-1278

(PuT) 2356,7759, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 2356,7759
(PuT) 1551,7442, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1551,7442
(PuT) 931,6927, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 931,6927
(PuT) 924,6457, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 924,6457
(PuT) 1063,6324, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1063,6324
(PuT) 990,5796, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 990,5796

(PuT) 455,-5832, 2 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 453,-5830
(PuT) 526,-6170, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 526,-6170
(PuT) 480,-5825, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 480,-5825

(PuT) -2715,-2846, 1 Coconut Tree Meroe -2715,-2846

(PuT) -1585,-1303, 1 Coconut Tree Khmun -2715,-2846

</googlemap>

[[Map of Coconut Trees]]

[[Category:Atlas]]
[[Category:Resources]]

Coconut Tree

2009-05-27T22:49:44Z

Daedilus:

<googlemap lat=1010 lon=0 zoom=1 width=512 height=
512
icon="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker.png" icons="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker{label}.png" iconsize="32x32" iconanchor'"9x32" iconlabels="A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, Ball,Cir,Dot,DP,Pin,PP,bee,beetle,camel,cobra,drink,fire,fish,flower,GH,grape,plus,pyramid,sheep,tick, Ag,Al,An,Au,Co,Cu,Fe,Go,Ir,Le,Li,Ma,Mg,Pb,Pl,Pt,Sb,Si,Sn,Sr,St,Ti,Tn,Tu,W,Zi,Zn">

(PuT) -1412,4438, Coconut Tree Normad´s Paradise? 1418, 1962

(PuT) 1380,3867, Coconut Tree Stillwater 1380,3867

(PuT) 1756,1801, 1 Coconut Tree Shabbat Ab 1418, 1962

(PuT) 4326,-479, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4326,-479??
(PuT) 4173,-355 3 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4173,-355
(PuT) 4835,-355, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4835,-344

(PuT) 704,-1300, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 704,-1300
(PuT) 1010,-819, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 1010,-819
(PuT) 906,-847, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 906,-847
(PuT) 858,-1015, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 858,-1015
(PuT) 804,-1128, 2 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 804,-1128
(PuT) 842,-1278, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 842,-1278

(PuT) 2356,7759, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 2356,7759
(PuT) 1551,7442, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1551,7442
(PuT) 931,6927, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 931,6927
(PuT) 924,6457, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 924,6457
(PuT) 1063,6324, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1063,6324
(PuT) 990,5796, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 990,5796

(PuT) 455,-5832, 2 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 453,-5830
(PuT) 526,-6170, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 526,-6170
(PuT) 480,-5825, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 480,-5825

(PuT) -2715,-2846, 1 Coconut Tree Meroe -2715,-2846

(PuT) --1585,-1303, 1 Coconut Tree Khmun -2715,-2846

</googlemap>

[[Map of Coconut Trees]]

[[Category:Atlas]]
[[Category:Resources]]

Coconut Tree

2009-05-27T22:26:50Z

Daedilus:

<googlemap lat=1010 lon=0 zoom=1 width=512 height=
512
icon="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker.png" icons="http://www.divineu.com/markers/marker{label}.png" iconsize="32x32" iconanchor'"9x32" iconlabels="A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, Ball,Cir,Dot,DP,Pin,PP,bee,beetle,camel,cobra,drink,fire,fish,flower,GH,grape,plus,pyramid,sheep,tick, Ag,Al,An,Au,Co,Cu,Fe,Go,Ir,Le,Li,Ma,Mg,Pb,Pl,Pt,Sb,Si,Sn,Sr,St,Ti,Tn,Tu,W,Zi,Zn">

(PuT) -1412,4438, Coconut Tree Normad´s Paradise? 1418, 1962

(PuT) 1380,3867, Coconut Tree Stillwater 1380,3867

(PuT) 1756,1801, 1 Coconut Tree Shabbat Ab 1418, 1962

(PuT) 4326,-479, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4326,-479??
(PuT) 4173,-355 3 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4173,-355
(PuT) 4835,-355, 1 Coconut Tree Falcon Bay 4835,-344

(PuT) 704,-1300, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 704,-1300
(PuT) 1010,-819, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 1010,-819
(PuT) 906,-847, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 906,-847
(PuT) 858,-1015, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 858,-1015
(PuT) 804,-1128, 2 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 804,-1128
(PuT) 842,-1278, 1 Coconut Tree Saqqarah 842,-1278

(PuT) 2356,7759, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 2356,7759
(PuT) 1551,7442, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1551,7442
(PuT) 931,6927, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 931,6927
(PuT) 924,6457, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 924,6457
(PuT) 1063,6324, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 1063,6324
(PuT) 990,5796, 1 Coconut Tree Adn 990,5796

(PuT) 455,-5832, 2 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 453,-5830
(PuT) 526,-6170, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 526,-6170
(PuT) 480,-5825, 1 Coconut Tree Queeen´s Resort 480,-5825

(PuT) -2715,-2846, 1 Coconut Tree Meroe -2715,-2846

</googlemap>

[[Map of Coconut Trees]]

[[Category:Atlas]]
[[Category:Resources]]

Furnaces

2009-05-26T18:55:34Z

Daedilus:

Furnaces convert ore to metal, consuming fuel.

There are two main types of furnace: [[Charcoal]]-fired furnaces with relatively short firing times, and large [[Petroleum]]-fired furnaces with much longer firing times but greater efficiency.

{| border="1"
! Furnace !! Fuel Type !! Max Ore !! Max Fuel !! Typical Ore:Metal !! Typical Fuel:Metal !! Fire Time !! Typical Metal/Hour !! Notes
|-
| [[Bullet Furnace]] || [[Charcoal]] || 200? || 5 || 50:1 || 5:1 || 5 minutes? || ? ||
|-
| [[Compression Furnace]] || [[Charcoal]] || 500 || 20 || 32:1 || 1.33:1 || 20 minutes || 45/hour || No pollution confirmed. Tested 0 Acidity, no HM.
|-
| [[Blast Furnace]] || [[Charcoal]] || 1000 || 10 || 17:1 || 0.37:1 || 10 minutes? || ? ||
|-
| [[Gyration Cell]] || [[Charcoal]] || 1500 || 50 || 10:1 || 0.33:1 || 15 minutes || 600/hour || Low pollution, currently the best CC furnace
|-
| [[Persephone Furnace]] || [[Petroleum]] || 20000 || ? || 8:1 || 0.035:1 || typ. 4+ days || 26/hour ||
|-
| [[Hades Furnace]] || [[Petroleum]] || 20000 || 1000 || 6:1 || 0.06:1 || typ. 4+ days || 33/hour || Large pollution radius
|}

Talk:Camels

2009-05-21T19:21:41Z

Daedilus:

The food consumption rate for sheep seems to be lower this tale, is the same true for camels? --[[User:Rwindmtg|rwindmtg]] 03:29, 24 December 2008 (EST)

***QUESTION
Is there any detriment or benefit for positioning a dromedary pen (with camels) or a Sheep Pen (with sheep) near to where you live or grow veggies?

^^^^I have no reason to believe there is any effect on veggie production. My drom straddles my grass / sand growing area, and i was getting exact same numbers before and after i placed it. ~Daedilus~

***Question of my own.
What is the ideal ratio of males to females to hold in pen for max birthrate? I know for sheep it is 3 males to 1 female, same for camels? thnx~

Talk:Camels

2009-05-21T19:19:46Z

Daedilus:

The food consumption rate for sheep seems to be lower this tale, is the same true for camels? --[[User:Rwindmtg|rwindmtg]] 03:29, 24 December 2008 (EST)

***QUESTION
Is there any detriment or benefit for positioning a dromedary pen (with camels) or a Sheep Pen (with sheep) near to where you live or grow veggies?

^^^^I have no reason to believe there is any effect on veggie production. My drom straddles my grass / sand growing area, and i was getting exact same numbers before and after i placed it. ~Daedilus~

***Question of my own.
What is the ideal ratio for males to females to hold in pen for max birthrate? I know for sheep it is 3 males to 1 female, same for camels? thnx~