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Monuments/Body

2010-07-09T00:52:23Z

Philadelphia: /* Students (64) */

[[Monuments | < Monuments]]
== Monument of The Human Body ==

The project will be led by dedenav.

a Guild hall for the monument is at 4287 -628 just near the Falcon Bay Cs (it's a old aqueduct guild)

The proposed site for the monument is in Falcon Bay - 4236 -758. All donations gratefully accepted and can be stashed in the warehouse at this site, which is just south of cs. Please let dedenav or one of the team know what you’ve donated so the wiki can be updated. Thanks!

There is also a stashable warehouse in Shabbat Ab - 1395 1779 (close to cs) for Donations - all donations appreciated. Please let Stevehotep know if you do stash anything in there so we can mark it on the chart below, Thankyou.

The Mats required for building this Monument are as follows:
{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"
| Material || Quantity Required || Quantity Already Got || Quantity Currently Outstanding
|-
| Iron Bars (For Structure) || 500 || 500 || 0
|-
| Concrete (Plinth Base) || 10000 || 10000 || 0
|-
| Cut Stone (For Structure) || 4000 || 4000 || 0
|-
| Oyster Shell Marble (Statue Elements) || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Green Sun Marble (Statue Elements) || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Rose Alabaster (Statue Elements) || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Hornets Wing Granite (Statue Elements) || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Serpentine Marble (Statue Elements) || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Fire Rock (Statue Elements) || 100 || 6 || 94
|-
| Blood Granite (Statue Elements) || 100 || 14 || 86
|-
| Angel's Stone (Statue Elements) || 10 || 10 || 0
|-
| Medium Violet Red Paint || 25000 || 25000 || 0
|-
| Forest Green Paint || 5000 || 5000 || 0
|-
| Alice Blue Paint || 5000 || 5000 || 0
|-
| Wheat Paint || 5000 || 5000 || 0
|-
| Cornflower Blue Paint || 5000 || 5000 || 0
|-
| Silk (Banner Material) || 50 || 50 || 0
|-
| Wood spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Wood spirits of Water || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Wood spirits of Earth || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Worm spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Worm spirits of Water || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Worm spirits of Earth || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Grain spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Grain spirits of Water || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Grain spirits of Earth || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Vegetable spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Mineral spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Mineral spirits of Water || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Mineral spirits of Earth || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Fish spirits of Fire || 21 || 21 || 0
|-
| Ibis Feathers || 100 || 100 || 0
|-
| Acorn's Cap Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Bleeding Hand Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Brain Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Camels Mane Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Cat Nip Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Cobra Hood Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Colt's Foot Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Dead Tongue Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Dueling Serpents Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Dung Rot Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Earth Light Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Eye of Osiris Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Fish Hook Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Hairy Tooth Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Heart of Ash Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Heaven's Torrent Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Iron Knot Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Nature's Jug Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Nefertari's Crown Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Peasant Foot Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Pool Of Tranquility Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Ra's Awakening Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Razor's Edge Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Salt Water Fungus || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Sand Spore Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Scorpions Brood Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Slave's Bread Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Toad Skin Mushrooms || 111 || 111 || 0
|-
| Wine with almond bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with apple bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with apricot bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with banana bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with butter bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with cassis bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with cedar bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with cherry bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| '''Wine with chocolate bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| '''Wine with geranium bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Wine with hazelnut bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
|''' Wine with licorice bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Wine with molasses bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with oak bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with orange blossom bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with peach bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with raisin bouquet || 7 || 2 || 5
|-
| Wine with raspberry bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with rose bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with smokey bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with soysauce bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Wine with strawberry jam bouquet || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| '''Wine with vanilla bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| '''Wine with violet bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| '''Wine with walnut bouquet''' || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Wine with at least 12% Alcohol || 49 || 49 ||
|-
| Wine with a sugar level at least 50 || 49 || 49 || 0
|-
| Wine with a tanin level at least 10 || 49 || 49 || 0
|-
| Banana and Barley flavored Beer || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Cherry Cinnamon Beer || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Dry Fruity Beer || 7 || 4 || 3
|-
| Bready Brown flavored Beer || 7 || 0 || 7
|-
| Spicy Potent Beer || 7 || 7 || 0
|-
| Sweet Very Potent Beer || 7 || 0 || 7
|}

== Test Ideas ==

Calling for Ideas for a future Test of The Human Body.

1. The Test of The Mountain Goat; Find a path to the top of the highest peaks in Egypt without use of an airship or warping. Passing this test will enable you to climb at angles previously unreachable and therefore reach areas you couldn't previously reach. (Theoretically this could require a new stat)

1a. Test of the Mountaineer. I suggested a test along the lines of Test Idea #1 several months back. Details can be found at: http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=541 . Be sure to scroll down to the bottom of the first page of posts -- that's where the detailed proposal is.

2. The new test of the Constellation: aim would be to identify constellations in the sky at night and follow them to reach mysterious locations where artifacts can be found (Nissim).

3. The Test of Isis' Bounty. Isis' Bounty is a nautical test that involves salvaging parts of an ancient ship and gives players the capacity to build ships and hunt for treasure on the high seas! Details can be found at: http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=641

4. '''Septathlon Races''' ~by Sharae

This Test becomes available only after Test of Acrobat is open and is held once per week.

Each competitor begins the race at the same time. The races will take contestants to seven pre-determined locations.

Traveling to the series of seven designated locations,
*Location suggestions: stadiums, conflict shrines, pilgrim shrines, common altars, etc,
*Mode of travel cannot be by expedition site, spouse warp or waypoint but can be by ferry (regular or long range), swimming, running or airship.
*While the sites are fixed the mode of travel, route followed or sequence each site is visited is up to the contestant.

Once at a location the contestant click on the stadium/ stella/ altar at a given site to be told which set of seven acrobat moves they must do prior to moving on to the next stadium.

Winners are the top 3 that complete the most challenges in the shortest amount of time.

5.

== Oracles of The Human Body ==

Current Oracles in this discipline are:
* Numaris
* dedenav
* Robare
* RosieRazor
* TheMazeEcho
* Stevehotep
* Lilinou
* Nori
* ruby
* Nissim
* Casino
* Emeraldlily
* Ninfa
* MAMTeles
* kanara
* Wampak
* Lill

= Monument Personnel =

Please add your name to the list if you wish to be considered as part of the Monument team.
 
''(note: I am not sure who we want to go where here, but I listed people as Sage/Master/etc in the order which they became Oracle, as far as I can recall. Obviously this is something to be discussed, but I figured I would put this up as a start. -RosieRazor)''

== Oracles (1) ==

* [[User:dedenav|dedenav]]

== Sages (2) ==
* Numaris
* Rosierazor

== Masters (4) ==
*TheMazeEcho
*Nori
*SteveHotep
*Lill
*Kalmkitty

== Scribes (8) ==
* Sonnenwanderer
* ruby
* KebiRoz
* Nissim
* Reyzer
* Maata
* jazkar
* Lilinou

== Journeymen (16) ==
* Hemptwister
* Sharae
* Injeru
* Wampak
* Sesnut

== Prentices (32) ==
* Yerbouti
* Noctilucent

== Students (64) ==

* blondie
* Casino
* Philly
----
[[TestofTheRegionalTemple|The Test of the Regional Temples]]

Monuments/Harmony

2010-07-09T00:37:57Z

Philadelphia: /* Monument Test Ideas */

[[Monuments | < Monuments]]
<div style="border:3px blue solid;margin:10px">
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NOTE: 

 

If it turns out that there is more than one Harmony monument, please create it as a subpage of this page; i.e. create a page '''Monuments/Harmony/OracleName''' where OracleName is the name of the person leading that monument. If you need help creating a new page, please ask a wikiadmin for help. 
</div>
</div>

= Monument of Harmony =

A guildhall for the Monument of Harmony project stands at Adn, 1066, 6951 right near the Chariot Stop (and the Worship, Art & Music Monument guilds). Enrollment is automatic for any applicant.

= Monument Test Ideas =

*T3 ideas:
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Monument_Tests

*Injeru: [http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=643 The Test of Esteem] (link to forum post)
* Sesnut: [http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=646 The Test of Caravans] (link to forum post)
* Sesnut: [http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=645 The Test of Patronage] (link to forum post)

* Miranni: FISH FARMS http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Miranni

* Philly and Murtha: [http://www.atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=652 The Test of the ___ Community] (link to forum post)

== Monument Location ==

The Monument of Harmony construction site has been built at -625, 6544 in Cat's Claw Ridge, in the curvature of the great Cat's tail.

Please offer your support, and contribute to our discussion of Test proposals on the forums!

= Monument Requirements =

Monument Construction Site
* 100 Linen
* 50 Slate
* 80 Boards
* 30 Rope
* 200 Papyrus Paper
* 50 Ink

'''Material requirements to build the Monument of Harmony.'''

{| border="1" style="background-color:#6B8E23" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="5"
|Material
|Need
|Have
|Pledged

|-
|It is all done || 0 || N/A ||
|-
|}

----
'''Paint recipes:''' (if you can do cheaper, post recipe!)

= Completed Materials =
'''Material requirements to build the Monument of Harmony.'''

{| border="1" style="background-color:#6B8E23" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="5"
|Material
|Need
|Have
|Pledged
|-
|Ghost White Paint (Detailing) || 300 || 300 || DONE ||
|-
|Lavender Paint (Detailing) || 300 || 300 || DONE ||
|-
|Lawn Green Paint (Detailing) || 300 || 300 || DONE ||
|-
|Salmon Paint (Detailing) || 300 || 300 || DONE ||
|-
|Dark Olive Green Paint || 20000 || 20000 || DONE ||
|-
|Dark Orange Paint (Detailing) || 300 || 300 || DONE ||
|-
|Medium Gears (Fountain Mechanism) || 25 || 25 || DONE ||
|-
|Small Gears (Fountain Mechanism) || 50 || 50 || DONE ||
|-
|Large Gears (Fountain Mechanism) || 10 || 10 || DONE ||
|-
|Silver Bars (Roof Support) || 1000 || 1000 || DONE ||
|-
|Concrete (Roof Details) || 5000 || 5000 || DONE ||
|-
|Cut Stone (Pillars) || 4000 || 4000 || DONE ||
|-
|Dark Sea Green Paint || 20000 || 20,000 || DONE ||
|-
|Water (For Basin) || 40,000 || 40,000 || DONE ||
|-
|Bricks (Building Base) || 500000 || 500000 || DONE ||
|-
|Gold Foil (Gilding) || 12000 || 12000 || DONE ||
|-
|Silk Cloth (Flag) || 500 || 500 || DONE ||
|-
|}

= Monument Personnel =

== Oracles ==

* [[User:Sesnut|Sesnut]]

== Sages (2) ==
* RosieRazor
* TheMazeEcho

== Masters (4) ==
* Casino
* Sonnenwanderer
* jazkar
* Kalmkitty

== Scribes (8) ==
* Noctilucent
* Nissim
* Maata
* Reyzer
* Sabuli

== Journeymen (16) ==
* Injeru
* Antilia

== Prentices (32) ==
* Shebi
* blondie
* Alphabob
* Hemptwister
* Dustitwister
* Osidion

== Students (64) ==
* Philadelphia (Philly)
* taylor
* sparkle

Monuments/Harmony

2010-06-17T19:28:44Z

Philadelphia: /* Students (64) */

Monuments/Harmony

2010-06-17T19:28:23Z

Philadelphia: /* Monument Requirements */

Monuments/Worship

2010-06-12T20:04:25Z

Philadelphia: /* Prentices (32) */

<div style="border:3px blue solid;margin:10px">
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NOTE: 

 

If it turns out that there is more than one Worship monument, please create it as a subpage of this page; i.e. create a page '''Monuments/Worship/OracleName''' where OracleName is the name of the person leading that monument. This page (for blondie's Worship monument) will then also be moved to its own subpage. If you need help creating a new page, please ask a wikiadmin for help. 
</div>
</div>

= Monument of Worship =

This page is for the Worship Monument project headed by Oracle of Worship [[User:Blondie|blondie]].

= Guild =

For the purposes of coordinating the Worship Monument, a guild ('''Monument of Worship''') has been created.

The guildhall is located near the Adn chariot at (1057, 6966).

= Monument Test Ideas =

List ideas for the new Tale 5 Worship test here.

Casino's test idea listed on his page [[User:Casino|Casino]]

[[TestofTheRegionalTemple|The Test of the Regional Temples]]

T3 ideas:
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Monument_Tests

== Monument Location ==

ADN 1201, 7248 (across from the U worship)

'''Come apply (at your listed rank in this page) to the monument site to join in support'''

= Monument Requirements =
This is from the construction site that was set to check the requirements for Tale 4.

That site will be taken down because in order to see mats list a worship test idea for t5 had to be locked in.

'''Warehouses are set up by the ADN cs near the Monument of Worship GH.'''

Donations can be dropped off at these wh's.

Once the site is set for the actual monument the materials will be trasported by a member of the guild.

'''Material requirements to build the Monument of Worship are listed below.'''

Thank you to our donators: blondie, Panyea, Maata, Casino, RosieRazor, Noctilucent, Wrongskian, Sonnenwanderer, Ariella, Sharae, Wampak, KebiRoz, TME, fahli

[[FOR QUARRIES:]]

'''Gears dropped off at ADN wh''' : 50 small gears, 20 medium gears

as a tip: allways build 3 output gearboxes. You can install A167 B167 C167 as well in a fitting 1 output gearbox need.

GB's
1 Gearbox:A167
1 Gearbox:A333 B333 C333
1 Gearbox:A463
1 Gearbox:B120 F400
1 Gearbox:B463
1 Gearbox:B72
1 Gearbox:D50 F463
1 Gearbox:D69 E69 F69
1 Gearbox:E240
1 Gearbox:E333
1 Gearbox:E420
1 Gearbox:H463

Paint recipes:

'''AlphaBob''' for Rosy Brown

'''Rosy Brown''' 8 Cabbage, 1 Carrot, 1 Copper, 1 Sulfur

'''Reyzer''':

'''CadetBlue ''' 1 Cabbage, 1 Lead, 1 Saltpeter, 7 Clay, 1 Sulfur, 1 Silver Powder

'''Gold ''' 1 Silver, 1 Clay, 1 Saltpeter, 1 Iron, 1 Sulfur, 11 Carrot

'''ForestGreen ''' 1 Iron, 1 RedSand, 2 Cabbage, 1 Silver, 6 Clay,

= Monument Materials =

{| border="1" style="background-color:#DEB887" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="5"
|Material
|Need
|Have
|Pledged
|Notes: Please put your name and amount in pledge column
|-
| Cut Stone || 50,000 || 2600 || 500 Philly ||
|-
| Yellow Alabaster Marble || 150 || 57 || ||
|-
| White Travertine || 150 || 70 || ||
|-
| Canary Granite || 150 || 53 || ||
|-
| Night Granite || 150 || || ||
|-
| Grey Star Marble || 150 || 10 || ||
|-
| White Alabaster || 150 || 89 || ||
|-
| Huge Diamond || 21 || 4 || ||
|-
| Huge Emerald || 21 || 7 || ||
|-
| Huge Ruby || 21 || 3 || ||
|-
| Huge Sapphire || 21 || || ||
|-
| Huge Topaz || 21 || 3 || ||
|-
| Large Emerald || 105 || 56 || 2 fahli||
|-
| Large Sapphire || 105 || 55 || 5 fahli ||
|-
| Medium Emerald || 1050 || 577 || 10 fahli ||
|-
| Medium Sapphire || 1050 || 366 || ||
|-
|}

= Completed Materials =

{| border="1" style="background-color:#DEB887" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="5"
|Material
|Need
|Have
|Pledged
|Notes: Please put your name and amount in pledge column

|-
| '''Rosy Brown Paint''' || '''28,000''' || '''28,000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Gold Paint''' || '''10,000''' || '''10,000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Cadet Blue Paint''' || '''5,000''' || '''5,000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Forest Green Paint''' || '''5,000''' || '''5,000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Honey''' || '''50,000''' || '''50,000''' || '''DONE ''' ||
|-
| '''Seeds of Exactly 7 Flax''' || '''3000''' || ''' 3000''' || ''' DONE''' || Seed must yield 7 flax at harvest -Pariella Monumental Flax
|-
| '''Seeds of Exactly 7 Rotten Flax''' || '''3000''' || '''3000''' || '''DONE''' || Seed must yield 7 rotten flax at harvest --Pascarella Mummy 3993
|-
| '''Camel Milk''' || '''10,000''' || '''10000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Concrete''' || '''15,000''' || '''15,000''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Huge Quartz''' || '''21''' || '''18''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Large Quartz''' || '''105''' || '''105''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Large Ruby''' || '''105''' || '''105''' ||'''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Large Topaz''' || '''105''' || '''105''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Medium Diamond''' ||'''1050'''||'''1050'''||'''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Medium Quartz''' || '''1050''' || '''1050''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Medium Ruby''' ||'''1050'''||'''1050''' ||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Medium Topaz''' ||'''1050'''||'''1050''' ||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Small Diamond''' || '''2100''' || '''2100''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Small Emerald''' || '''2100''' || '''2100''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Small Quartz''' || '''2100''' || '''2100''' ||''' DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Small Ruby''' || '''2100''' || '''2100''' ||'''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Small Sapphire''' || '''2100''' || '''2100''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Small Topaz''' ||'''2100''' || '''2100''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Large Diamond''' || '''105''' || '''105''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Candles''' || '''2000''' || '''2000''' ||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Raw Barley''' || '''1000''' || '''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Light Roasted Barley''' ||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Med Roasted Barley'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Dark Roasted Barley'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Burnt Barley'''||'''1000'''||'''1000||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Raw Wheat'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Light Roasted Wheat'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Med Roasted Wheat'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Dark Roasted Wheat'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
|'''Burnt Wheat'''||'''1000'''||'''1000'''||'''DONE'''||
|-
| '''Gold Sheeting''' || '''250''' || '''250''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Gold Foil''' || '''1,500''' || '''1500''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
| '''Oyster Shell Marble''' || '''150''' || '''150''' || '''Done''' ||
|-
| '''Mud Granite''' || '''150''' || '''150''' || '''DONE''' ||
|-
|}

= Monument Personnel =

Please add your name to the list if you wish to be considered as part of the Monument team. You should also apply to the Monument of Worship guild (see above).

== Oracles (1) ==

* [[User:blondie|blondie]]

== Sages (2) ==
[[User:Reyzer|Reyzer]]

[[User:Maata|Maata]]

== Masters (4) ==

[[User:Casino|Casino]]

Wrongskian

KebiRoz

Sonnenwanderer

== Scribes (8) ==
* dedenav
* Alicesmile
* Wampak
* RosieRazor
* pinger
* [[User:fahli|fahli]]
* TheMazeEcho
* Panyea

== Journeymen (16) ==

Sharae

Kuupid

* Nissim

== Prentices (32) ==
Robare

Ariella

Pascalito

Philly

== Students (64) ==

* [[User:Hekatef|Hekatef]]

Alphabob

Hitch

MAMTeles

Aleena

Monuments/Worship

2010-06-12T20:04:08Z

2010-02-02T02:26:49Z

Philadelphia:

User:Philadelphia

2010-01-23T20:09:22Z

Philadelphia: /* Philadelphia (aka Philly) */

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
{| border="0" style="color:background-color:#ffffcc;"
|[[Image:Pando2.JPG|150px|Philly]]
|[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|Philly in RL]]
|Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend. Level 25 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 
|}

== Currently working on Ritual Tattoo : ==

{| border="1"
!Mortar
!Herb
!Resin
!Gem
!Location
!Completed?
|-
|First
|wh. pepper pl.
|5 stout palm
|emerald
|nr. papy nr. altar
|
|-
|Second
|Sweetgrass
|5 mini Palm
|Sapphire
|Nr. road on sand
|1/18/10
|-
|Third
|Wild yam
|6 coconut palm
|diamond
|near U near statue
|
|-
|Fourth
|Mini bamboo
|4 hawthorn
|emerald
|200-300ft near 2 cacti
|problem?
|-
|Fifth
|Harrow
|7 cerulean blue
|powdered diamond
|near a U near a papy plant
|
|-
|Sixth
|dwarf hogweed
|4 anaxi resin
|powdered opal
|near sulfur water, near a large stone
|
|-
|Seventh
|Trilobe
|6 mini fern palm
|powdered ruby
|600 feet on dirt
|
|}

User:Philadelphia

2010-01-23T20:08:46Z

Philadelphia: /* Currently working on Ritual Tattoo : */

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
{| border="0" style="color:background-color:#ffffcc;"
|[[Image:Pando2.JPG|150px|Philly]]
|[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|Philly in RL]]
|Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 22 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 
|}

== Currently working on Ritual Tattoo : ==

{| border="1"
!Mortar
!Herb
!Resin
!Gem
!Location
!Completed?
|-
|First
|wh. pepper pl.
|5 stout palm
|emerald
|nr. papy nr. altar
|
|-
|Second
|Sweetgrass
|5 mini Palm
|Sapphire
|Nr. road on sand
|1/18/10
|-
|Third
|Wild yam
|6 coconut palm
|diamond
|near U near statue
|
|-
|Fourth
|Mini bamboo
|4 hawthorn
|emerald
|200-300ft near 2 cacti
|problem?
|-
|Fifth
|Harrow
|7 cerulean blue
|powdered diamond
|near a U near a papy plant
|
|-
|Sixth
|dwarf hogweed
|4 anaxi resin
|powdered opal
|near sulfur water, near a large stone
|
|-
|Seventh
|Trilobe
|6 mini fern palm
|powdered ruby
|600 feet on dirt
|
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User:Philadelphia

2010-01-18T19:46:06Z

Philadelphia: /* Currently working on Ritual Tattoo : */

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
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Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 
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User:Philadelphia

2010-01-18T19:42:30Z

Philadelphia: /* Currently working on Ritual Tattoo : */

User:Philadelphia

2010-01-18T19:40:26Z

Philadelphia:

Shards

2010-01-14T00:21:43Z

Philadelphia:

== Disclaimer ==
This page has been created in an evening and would benefit from some editing. I have tried to be objective and not put my opinions forward. Please leave YOUR views on the idea of 'shards' in the segment called Players comments. If you feel you can summarise the ideas better than I can, either let me know or change yourself! You can leave a pm for me ingame or through the forum... where I am listed as khaem. Thanks, Khaemwaset

==Shards... what are they?==
For Shard read server. ATITD is going to potentially start an experiment, whereby Teppy will open a new shard or server every few months.

Here is Teppy's definition on ENN... "Every 3 months, we'd open a new Tale in the Desert 5 (we'd probably do the first of these as a Tale 4 shard, starting in about a month.) Every Test and Tech would be unlockable on Day 1. So, no waiting for Devs to finish coding. Only 3 Tests are uncoded at the moment, so I think it's reasonable to assume that players would not have to wait."

==Why? ==
Player driven not Dev driven.

== Questions asked on ENN ==
''Okay, so if I join one shard or server can I join another with the same avatar account?''

'''No.''' If you want to play on another server you need to create and pay for a new account/avatar.

== The downsides ==
1. The stream of players will all tend to be directed to the newest shard.

2. Players who would otherwise return to this shard might instead restart from scratch on the new one.

3. No solution yet as to how Monument building on other shards will effect the next Tale.

The above are as summarized by Teppy on ENN. If you have your comments please leave them below.

== The ENN Log ==
 


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21:07:31 Teppy: ---

21:07:37 Teppy: Greetings, all...

21:08:02 Teppy: (One sec, tech problem)

21:09:21 Teppy: Ok, there we go.

21:10:36 Teppy: So I followed a bit of the informal discussion in E! yesterday. Lots of initial negative reaction to the idea and then some positive reaction later.

21:11:07 Teppy: So let me first explain the actual idea and hen talk about which problems I think it may solve, and which i won't.

21:11:28 Teppy: Rosethorn, feel free to add to this as I talk.

21:12:12 Teppy: As most veterans know, the feeling at a Tale's start is very different from 1+ year in.

21:12:18 Teppy: And is different from the endgame.

21:12:43 Teppy: In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there are 3 pretty distinct phases to a Tale.

21:13:26 Teppy: And I'll just come right out and say it - I've always enjoyed the first part the best.

21:14:17 Teppy: Yeah, there's new Tests and tweeks to various techs, but it seems that most of the interesting stuff is not knowing how the different regions will develop,m and who will become powerful...

21:14:37 Teppy: What sorts of guild relationships and purposes will evolve.

21:14:56 Teppy: It's been different in each Tale.

21:15:15 Teppy: And I've always said that shorter Tales are a primary goal. We're actually on track for a shorter Tale this time.

21:16:02 Teppy: Specifically, if we could shorten that middle phase (and ideally, lengthen the first phase, though I'm not sure how to do that.)

21:17:30 Teppy: And there's an interesting observation:

21:18:04 Teppy: Not only are the # of players online way, way higher at a Tale's start...

21:18:22 Teppy: Those that join early on stay over 2x as long as those that join, say, now.

21:19:54 Teppy: So Rosethorn suggested something that - in almost 8 years of ATITD - I never thought of...

21:20:37 Teppy: And the suggestion meshes nicely with some (but not all!) of those properties that are peculiar to ATITD.

21:21:33 Teppy: And that is, rather than start a Tale and have it run for 18+ months, where maybe 16 of those months are "midgame"/"endgame"

21:21:50 Teppy: Start a new shard every 3 months or so.

21:22:00 Teppy: One other observation...

21:22:32 Teppy: I have a Google Alert set up for ATITD, and I always go and read comments on message boards where we get mentioned...

21:23:34 Teppy: And many of the people who have been here and left feel frustrated that they were never able to be one of the top players. Not enough time to devote to it, etc.

21:24:06 Teppy: It's such an appealing game if you're one of the opinion leaders in Egypt...

21:25:20 Teppy: Also, an observation: At this point in a Tale we tend to cruise along at 1100-1300 players. We're a bit lower than that right now (972 a couple days ago), but same ballpark.

21:25:44 Nissim: how many players out of the ones active now consider or aspire to be opinion leaders? 21:26:59 Teppy: I don't kow - very hard to quantify.

21:27:17 Orrin: If I can just make a more 'specific' account on active players, it seems to me that we stand at about 250-300 *active* players. Wahim's wine petition was turned it at just over 110 signatories. The 250-300 figure is based on the census of >init in body, and is a faily good 'leveller'

21:27:30 Injeru: Not interested in being an opinion leader-- I do, however, enjoy being part of things that feel like they're affecting the world. The old hands seem to have a wrap on a lot of that. For example, was excited by the genetics, but there was no way I could compete with Tedra for resource availability or knowledge as a new player.

21:27:47 Teppy: See, that's very interesting.

21:29:22 Teppy: There's this odd result from sociology called "Dunbar's Number" - go ahead and look it up on Wikipedia...

21:29:52 Teppy: But it (and some related numbers) basically says that the size of groups are "quantized"...

21:30:40 Teppy: Depending on the type of group, something in human nature causes it to be 12 people, or 50 people, or 250, or 2500.

21:31:08 Teppy: Most of the real life groups that I've been involved in have been right about 12 people.

21:31:21 Teppy: And I think the 250 number is the size that tribes tend to be, before they split apart.

21:32:05 Keko: i think 300 or 400 players active and others mule and inactive paids

21:32:51 Teppy: It may in fact be 250. Again, hard to measure "real" accounts as opposed to mules, people who log in to socialize but not really "play", etc.

21:34:34 Teppy: So if you believe in the Dunbar's Number hypothesis - the idea of a new telling of Tale 4, or Tal;e 5, starting every 3 months may be a way to grow the overall size of the ATITD community.

21:34:43 Nchanter: Well if your goal is to make the game playable in ~250 player groups, you will have to re-scale a lot of things in the game, like research requirments (there are more active peopel at the beggining of the telling) and the way research works region to region.

21:35:34 Orrin: The problem as I see it is that this game is very much socially orientated. It's rather abstract, but you can compare the game to a self-sustaining reaction. Enough people must be around for the social network to function. If connections fail, the reaction slows down and it self-propogates.

21:35:44 Teppy: Exactly.

21:36:28 Lukeera: I think your idea of new shards would broaden the number of people playing...for a short time. Then you would encounter shifts based on "but that shard is better."

21:36:45 Teppy: NChanter: Agreed. That's not much smaller than we are now. So yeah, we would have to do some tweeking, but nothing dramatic...

21:37:13 Teppy: Many Tests are extremely hard right now, but most self-balance...

21:38:08 Piff: You know, it's not about being the "top" player in egypt, it's about what NOT being the top player means. For instance: raeli ovens, rare minerals...those things are not accessible to many small guilds or latecomers

21:38:22 Teppy: Bingo.

21:38:58 Nchanter: I do agree with the premis you posted in the calinder description that a player paced telling will retain more people than a developer paced telling -- having everything "unlockable" from the beggining and it gets unlocked when the players research it, not when y'all release it. but fragmenting shards mean that when a new one opens up, you will haev players move to that, and never "finish" any of the tellings.

21:39:24 Piff: why can't you just make them more accessible instead of starting new shards?

21:40:53 Teppy: There are probably 1000 "difficulty knobs" (variables) in ATITD: I do try to adjust them. For instance today I fooled with a half dozen or so that control how Beehive and Golden Sun mushrooms propagate.

21:41:01 Rosethorn: Nchanter, I don't think that's true. I don't think people would be willing to abandon all their hard work (the key players, the active ones in this telling) and not see it through for the chance to start over with the exact same tests.

21:42:15 Teppy: So the question is - how can we do this in a way where a whole different community forms in the other shard? Dunbar's Number says that there's at least an inclination to this - we're certainly not going *against* human nature.

21:43:04 Orrin: A big problem I see is that there is *so* much possible in this game, and right now, not much dev-time to spend on it. Take the recent discussion on eco, or even the one regarding 'auto' cc ovens. The community does have *some* good ideas, but often they're impractical.

21:43:32 hilly: to make a tale work you need all sorts of player then hard core, the workers and the sosail players. if you remove 1 of those groups, the hole things falls apart

21:44:20 Teppy: Absolutely. And I have no doubt that those roles would be filled on each shard.

21:44:30 Orrin: The major building of this tale is done Hilly, that and the research. We are really now into the realm of 'do tests, mess around, wait for something to happen'

21:44:49 Nissim: would the number of shards have an effect on lag?

21:44:51 Teppy: No

21:44:56 Chaul: you are talking about creating a whole new world, not just "splitting a tribe"..

21:45:14 Teppy: Right. *Splitting* the existing playerbase is the last thing we need.

21:46:11 Teppy: So we need to do everything possible to make the new shards their own communities, not a fragment of this community. I do *not* think that there are only 1000 people on the entire planet that would enjoy ATITD.

21:46:32 Nchanter: But that is what will happen. New blood will always go to the new server, the old server will continue to dwindle, and you will not have the numbers to complete monuments.

21:47:00 Teppy: That is one very real downside to this that I've identified.

21:47:27 Teppy: However, look in the Immigrants channel right now, with /ts on.

21:48:04 Teppy: 18 new arrivals in 24 hours.

21:48:44 BlueGrass: yes but not all are making it to Egypt

21:48:57 Teppy: Or permanently joining us.

21:49:14 Teppy: So yeah, the net attrition would be higher, but the inflow of new people is not what's going to make or break Monuments.

21:49:19 Nissim: another way to grow the community is understand why players are leaving.... through a survey

21:49:57 Teppy: We do that: The exit survey shows this - chat me privately afterwards, but I don't see any great insights from reading that.

21:50:10 Khaemwaset: Teppy could you pelase succintly describe b ywhat you mean by shards. Some of us are getting confused.

21:50:14 Teppy: Sure...

21:50:50 Teppy: (And keep in mind, this isn't fully fleshed out - I'm sure that some of the key things haven't been identified yet, and will come from this, or future chats.)

21:51:37 Teppy: Every 3 months, we'd open a new Tale in the Desert 5 (we'd probably do the first of these as a Tale 4 shard, starting in about a month.)

21:52:37 Teppy: Every Test and Tech would be unlockable on Day 1. So, no waiting for Devs to finish coding.

21:53:06 Teppy: Only 3 Tests are uncoded at the moment, so I think it's reasonable to assume that players would not have to wait.

21:53:47 Nchanter: Yes, but when you open up something new it's gonna cause more attrition on the existing server. "I didn't get a yellowish oven on serve 3, i'll try now again on server 4..."

21:54:34 Teppy: Could happen, but I think that particular case is remote. "I didn't play at all in December and January so I'm going to move" is plausible perhaps, but a yellowish oven?

21:54:47 Taemon: Would we be a new character on each shard? Or can we bring our levels along?

21:55:22 Teppy: I would set it up in a way to discourage moving among shards. I want the new shard to have a whole different, new community, not a splinter of this one...

21:55:43 Teppy: So characters would not be transferrable (technically crazy-hard anyway)...

21:56:15 Teppy: An account would be on one specific server.

21:56:25 Nchanter: Also, how would having multiple shards affect choosing what the legacy tests are gonna be for future numbered tellings. If you have a T4Arch Monument-A, T4Arch Monument-B, T4Archmonument-C which wone gets picked to be integrated into the various instances of T5?

21:57:12 Teppy: This is a problem I haven't solved yet. I won't be able to code 42 new Tests per Telling.

21:57:45 Teppy: Laws are a similar issue, but those are far quicker to code than Tests.

21:58:47 Teppy: Maybe something where the top monuments across shards become new Tests. I'm open to suggestions there.

21:59:36 Rosethorn: I believe marking the first shard for each telling (in this case this telling) as the 'primary shard' and only monuments from that shard would count towards the next.

21:59:57 Teppy: I don't think that would be ideal...

21:59:58 OZtwo: for many this would just kill the fun of it

22:00:01 Teppy: Right.

22:00:16 Teppy: I think it's important that each shard affects the next Tale.

22:01:01 Teppy: Kemet was a version of Tale 1 run by MDO games. They had a much lower population than Tale 1, but with some modifications to gameplay, they were able to complete 1 monument.

22:01:22 Nissim: but as I see it T4 shard A will move into T5 shard A, T4 shard B into T5 shard B etc...

22:01:31 Teppy: Yes, I would expect something like that.

22:01:43 Beah: Not sure I understand all this, but does it mean we have to start all over every 3 month?

22:02:23 Teppy: No. A given shard would last about as long as they do now. (I'd like to shorten that in general - I still feel that 12 months is ideal for a Telling.)

22:02:32 Nchanter: which constitutes "losing" the game, only building 1 monument, instead of all 7.

22:02:38 Savarin: What about player run institutions like The Goods? If one shard had that and another didn't; I think a lot of players would go for that server instead.

22:03:19 Teppy: My dream would be for similar but different things to occur in the various communities.

22:03:23 Orrin: I agree there teppy, 12 months would be good.

22:03:43 Piff: why don't you consider doing that again? Letting someone like MDO games run a copy of your server? Just curious

22:04:23 Teppy: If it was a competent company, yes.

22:04:39 Khaemwaset: so how big would each shard be... I mean in terms of regions and such?

22:04:53 Panyea: but sir, what about GM's? aren't we down to 3 now?

22:05:23 Teppy: Probably fewer regions. Or fewer open regions anyway.

22:05:31 Teppy: (Maybe 7 open regions?)

22:06:17 Injeru: The other question I've seen come up which I'd like to hear your thoughts on-- how much will be different between different shards running the same telling? Resource locations, etc... will there be some differences in the game world? I can see problems arising if everything's in the same place on a new shard.

22:06:40 Teppy: In the map itself, no difference. All Tale 5 shards would have the same visible map.

22:07:11 Teppy: Mineral locations, growing spots, nearly every other aspect of the game would change.

22:07:50 Teppy: This is possible, because I have a single "magic number" that seeds nearly all content...

22:08:53 Teppy: Wine regions, herb gathering techniques, mutagens, etc.

22:09:35 Nissim: I have no objection to sweveral shards if that number does not affect "my" shard... but would e-Genesis staff and investment be able to support the many shards?

22:10:14 Teppy: We have enough hardware to support an additional shard with some to spare.

22:10:32 Teppy: If the experiment is at all successful, buying more hardware is pocket change in comparison.

22:11:04 Orrin: The more shards you have, the thinner you spread your admin/WBs/GMs/Events

22:11:39 Teppy: We will need GM teams on other shards.

22:11:43 Lukeera: Staff can be added to handle those issues.

22:11:52 Rabble: If the experiment is a failure, will there some path for the other shard players to merge into this shard with their test/skills intact. Or do they just wait out T5?

22:12:13 Teppy: A 1-time merge of characters is technically doable...

22:12:34 Teppy: Merging Test passes, levels, skills, etc., is not.

22:13:57 Teppy: Guilds, CPs, Ovens, etc., is all not mergeable.

22:14:13 Klangdah: I'm getting lost here, the new shard(s) would be on T4 and you plan to have them going for around a year... meaning we are at least one year away from T5 ?

22:14:26 Teppy: I'm guessing we're 5 months from T5. That's a guess.

22:15:12 Teppy: 3 Tests to code, so that's 6-8 weeks, then 3 months of end-game.

22:15:21 OZtwo: just keep T4 goes as it is and don't make a mess of it

22:16:35 Teppy: That's the thing - except for the tiny trickle of new players coming into T4, this shouldn't have any effect.

22:16:47 Nissim: I see the number of legacy tests as an issue for you guys...

22:16:56 Teppy: Definitely an issue.

22:17:57 Teppy: I'm not saying that this idea is free of downsides - but I think that it's an overall win, and has the potential to be a huge win.

22:18:09 Savarin: Be honest with us, have you made up your mind on this and you're just looking for suggestions on how to implement it?

22:18:48 Teppy: I haven't heard anything that made me say "oh yeah, that's a fatal flaw."

22:19:09 Squiranha: My problem with this idea is that new shards would be lively because they'd be in the first phase of the game, but without content/events/new things, people playing there would be get bored just we do here during middle tale, and with the community split, less would stay until the end and it would be much harder to do endgame in any of the shards

22:20:55 Teppy: That has entirely to do with the length of a Tale. That's a big problem - the biggest problem even. But it's - as mathematicians say - orthogonal to shards.

22:20:59 Rosethorn: We'd do events on new shards just like we do here.

22:21:17 Nchanter: Teppy, that's 'casue you're not listening to people saying "this is a bad idea. you've clearly made up you mind that this is a good idea."

22:21:46 Teppy: I'm listening to the reasons, not the "I Think This is a Bad Idea" part.

22:22:20 Teppy: And so far, in my judgement, the reasons against have been less persuasive than the likely advantages.

22:22:39 Rosethorn: This is an experiment in many ways. If it fails, we know not to do it in telling 5. If it succeeds, it has the potential to increase users in telling 5. Also, I'm sure Teppy agrees here too, we'd love to see how long a telling lasts that is purely player driven.

22:22:52 Teppy: Oh yes!

22:23:10 Orrin: I think it's worth a trial at the least, with a contingency to merge the new 'shard' and this 'shard' should the idea fail.

22:23:13 Lukeera: I don't think this is a bad idea. I think ATitD has a lot more potential than is being realized now. This is an idea session for what in all probability would be an entirely new player base.

22:23:57 Nchanter: when you ask "what are the flaws" and people point them out to you, some of which you're putting through and some of whic you havent', you've responded a few times "oh, well i haevnt' figured that out yet" and then proceeded to say this will happen in about a month. the message that is getting across is that you're just cchatting us as a courtesy, that you aren't really listening, and that our objections don't matter.

22:24:35 Teppy: I'm listening to ideas on HOW to best make it work. If there's a fatal flaw, then I'm listening for that too.

22:24:42 darkfyre: With all tests and techs "ready to be unlocked", I can see power players finishing a shard in months rather than years

22:24:46 Teppy: Would be pretty cool.

22:24:51 Injeru: I'm on board-- I think it's well worth trying out.

22:24:59 Khaemwaset: Rosethorn-- am i ok to set up a wiki page and a discussion thread on the forum. i think we all need to have a look at the issues before we commit our money to the game. i hope that if I do set up wiki/forum pages peeps will respond? And teppy will read???

22:25:08 Teppy: Sure.

22:25:50 Orrin: I'm not too sure on that, there is a substantial *risk* that the playerbase here will fossilise and the tale will die. However, there is also a substantial benefit from a healthier playerbase. There's no massive weight imbalance as I see it.

22:26:19 Rabble: If this turns out to be a big mistake and causes lower population in T4 and start of T5 but Egenesis has the financial resources to rebound by T6, then I say experiment away

22:26:20 Lukeera: Remember that he isn't tlaking about removing anything from us but rather adding more ATitD to the world as a whole.

22:26:41 Seiun: another good way for shard i have thought of is making possible for player to make a shard and then the shard's owner may invite poeple to it

22:26:49 Beah: Why don´t you send out a poll/questionary to every player and ask them if they say yes or no to this?

22:27:49 Teppy: Ultimately it's my decision. It's a risk/reward calculation, not a 50% threshold sort of thing.

22:28:14 Orrin: You cannot deny that a tale start is far more active than the position we're in now

22:28:24 Seiun: so poeple will raise a shard in community

22:29:02 Teppy: So to wrap up, here are the downsides identified so far:

22:30:01 Teppy: 1. The stream of new players will tend to all be directed toward the newest shard.

22:30:59 Teppy: 2. Players who would otherwise return to this shard might instead restart from scratch on the new one.

22:31:24 Teppy: 3. No solution yet about how monument building on other shards affects the next Tale.

22:33:07 Teppy: (#'s 1 and 2 are aspects of fragmenting the community; there are probably other less common ones as well, but I think those two are most of it.)

22:33:24 Orrin: As far as bug fixes go, will that propogate over servers?

22:34:03 Teppy: Yeah, in my experience with Kemet, it's not a huge problem - usually just a code recompile which takes a few minutes and no server downtime.)

22:34:57 OZtwo: but again Teppy if this is such a good idea in your mind, why hasn't WoW done it yet? -- not that I play it..but the idea

22:35:18 Teppy: Probably because the structure of WoW is fundamentally different from ATITD.

22:35:39 OZtwo: I joined this game since it was the closest to the old SimCity as I could find..with a little work, you can make this better than SimCity classic

22:35:46 Nchanter: And what about attntions to things like laws, or triggering new legal ballots, that requrire dev intervention. and running sunday test passes?

22:36:00 Lukeera: WOW has done it in essence with new servers, closed to xfers for 6 months.

22:36:01 Moses: are you kiddign WOW has open many servers over the yerars

22:36:06 Teppy: I stand corrected then.

22:36:24 Teppy: EVE Online hasn't done it though, and they're very successful.

22:36:35 Taffer: Will there be a way to choose which shard you want to go too, basics of wanting to join with old friends. Or will new players that are old vets just get swept into the new shard. And will there be server to sever communication, like the old EQ to EQ2 sony talking through servers.

22:36:56 Teppy: No server-server chats - each would would be self-enclosed.

22:37:52 Teppy: But you'd be able to connect to (and create an account on, at any time) any server. They would be listed in the launcher.

22:38:34 Teppy: We'd default the radio button to the newest server, but each would have a name.

22:38:59 Nchanter: Will you make sure to keep people ont he new server from having the same names as people on the old server in case we decide to create a second account on the new server to check it out?

22:39:13 Teppy: No.

22:39:29 Teppy: (Technically very hard to allocate names across all servers at once.)

22:39:41 Nchanter: Also, to play on both will i have to pay for two subscriptions?

22:39:56 Teppy: Yes. And I really do hope that such a thing is rare.

22:40:28 Nchanter: then what happens with t5 when you have to do legacy denotation?

22:40:57 Teppy: We would roll over T4 server "B" to T5 server "B: by default, just as T4->T5 by default now.

22:41:18 Teppy: And then we'd manually handle special cases as we do now.

22:41:25 Taffer: What about the Full paid YR contracts. Reserved name status. Would I be able to have taffer any *any shard, if I start a new account on a different server? or is t just this account, logg in name, password. dont get to choose server.

22:42:33 Teppy: They'd be on a single shard. I've always gone out of my way to help those that have supported us, and would still do so.

22:44:21 Teppy: Ok, I'm going to wrap up now. I'll continue to discuss the plans moving forward...

22:45:29 Teppy: Like I said, I'd like to launch the next T4 server in about a month, though I haven't set an exact date yet. I want to have a better grasp on Monuments and a few other issues first.

22:47:39 Teppy: Thanks all. The "ratio of thoughts to words" in this chat was particularly high, so I am especially appreciative of that.

22:48:05 Teppy: Teppy out!

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== E! Discussions ==
There's been at least one fairly extensive discussion on E! about this. Could someone grab/embed
those in here as well? --[[User:Shebi|Shebi]]

There have been multiple chats - scaping them off the log without unintentionally clipping
them would be difficult - A link to the E! is the best we can do and folks will just have to filter
for the on-going commentary. [[User:Shuofthefieryheat|ShuoftheFieryHeat]] 10:11, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Click here to look at the [http://services.atitd.org/log.php?channel=ENN ENN Logs ]. Teppy's chat started @ 01/12/2010 (same as above scroll box)

Click here to look at the [http://services.atitd.org/log.php?channel=E! E! Logs ]. Discusions started @ 01/10/2010

== Player comments ==

I am curious to see how the new shard would develop and also think a tale with everything unlockable from the start would be excellent but my fear of how the lack of new players incoming to the current tale will affect it is greater, therefore IF there was a vote ,lol, I'd vote no. 
Alternate ideas:
*I'd prefer to see a Tale4B run at end of T4 with a set end time of 6mths with everything reduces to make this even possible, a speed server in essence- downside would need lots of tweaks to make everything quicker I'd imagine. 
*OR a second server that is a never ending(?)(4yr+) tale perhaps, more of a sandbox type game than tales are currently, giving players time to discover how to make a flower a certain colour and find every flavour of wine in egypt. In current tale lenghts it seems not worth even starting to try to figure these things out as they are difficult things to master or discover, yes we can try again in next tale but that involves getting back to a place where we have the resources to make a billion nut essence or make mutagens by which time we're back in same position of tale ending too quickly. I'd like to be able to try all the different things the game offers in the one game not have to pick one or two thing to concentrate on each tale.

=== [[User:Trillian|Trillian]] ===

Overall though I believe this is all an attempt at player retention which is good thing to work on but you need to increase player attraction also and to wit ADVERTISING this wonderful game would by far be the best method imho.--[[User:Trillian|Trillian]] 23:19, 12 January 2010 (EST) 

=== Nissim ===

(Nissim) I think that the idea of "Player driven" rather than "Dev driven" e.g. having all tests and techs unlockable at the start of a tale is a great concept. If we consider our current shard as being T4 shard A, will all tests (including legacy tests from T4) and techs be unlockable when we move into T5 shard A? If not then we would end with shard A being Dev driven and the other shards being Player driven. Also the number of legacy tests to code has been identified as an issue (I believe this is captured as No. 3 downside above). Therefore e-Genesis has to realize that more programmers (to immediately code the new tests and techs for T5 shard A, and the 7 new legacy tests in the other shards) will need to be operational upfront.... otherwise they will become overwhelmed with the ultimate consequence that no shard will be Player driven and players would quit in all shards

=== Rabble ===

Hello. My name is Rabble and I approved this message.

I think 4B will be a disaster. This is my *guess* as to what will happen

I think damage has already been done. We've been told that T5 will end in 5-6 months. Doesn't Teppy always underestimate the remaining length of tales? Aren't we likely to be here much longer? If so, it's really damaging to throw around inaccurate figures like that. Many people are going to look at a possible end in 5 months and start to wonder why they should bother continuing here.

The new players probably see 4B as a chance to start over without all the clutter they see in 4A. The land won't be filled with decaying structures that have been at 0% for 100+ days. The mine veins won't be filled. The test scores won't be high. The new players probably think they won't be playing catch-up on 4B. They couldn't be more wrong.

On day one of 4B there won't be any chariot routes or metal working or tests or cooking or good flax. There won't be any improved brick racks, hackling rakes, public camps, or trading guilds. Just because everything will be 'unlockable' doesn't mean it will be available. Most new players don't understand that someone, presumably them on 4B, will have to manufacture and contribute thousands and thousands and thousands of debens of materials to universities in order to have techs available. And since many techs depend on other techs, it will take considerable time for 4B to mature. The new players who move to 4B will be playing catch-up their entire tale because they will be trying to catch the tech levels of 4A the entire tale. Once the novelty wears off, 4B will burn them out in droves.

Meanwhile, 4A will suffer. With less new people coming in, it will ossify. Tests like mentoring will become all but impossible. Many of our other tests are already very hard due to lack of participation. This will make things worse. The population of old players will continue to slowly dwindle but now there will be few, if any, new players to stem the tide. So our overall population on 4A will drop much faster.

And 4B's population will be .. well who knows. The new players who go there aren't likely to last long since life will be so difficult. Will they return to 4A or give up on the entire ATiTD brand? The old players who return to 4B will find that it's not a new tale with high population and new tests and new techs but a rerun of tale 4 with the same old gameplay they already rejected. Will they miss their friends on 4A and move back to join us? Or will they get annoyed when they discover they need a second subscription to play on 4A and will this cause them to quit 4B? Will some of them feel the whole thing is just a cheap gimick and just give up on ATiTD for good? Maybe some veterans will settle on 4B to see how fast they can develop their camps and regions. But will they stay? With less people, life on 4B might be too quiet even for the hermits. And each vet that leaves 4A for 4B makes our community here one part weaker.

Rosethorn said over and over this won't split the population. She repeats it like a mantra. But there are already people upset they just paid for one year on 4A and wanting to move to 4B. There are already relatively new players who said they plan on going there. The split has *already* begun.

I don't know how the developers and GM's will handle this. Surely, 4B will need a lot of hand-holding at first. They'll need new contests to give away pepper seeds, missing bulbs and other items that we slowly built up on 4A. There will be more coding to enact the two different sets of laws that develop. They will be tests, like acro, that just don't work on 4B and the players there will call out for attention. And there will be unseen bugs and problems that require attention. Plus, of course, Teppy will need to take a good bit of time just to implement this all.

We are already short of dev and GM time. It takes months to get some bugs fixed or gameplay rebalanced. We have few events anymore. Now the devs and GMs will have more work to do and this is supposed to help?

=== [[User:Shuofthefieryheat|ShuoftheFieryHeat]] ===
Unfortunately Teppy has already decided to make this change. He made that very clear in the chat. This project is just "bad timing". Perhaps it would have been a good idea for a T5 roll-out but surely it is not with T4. All the negative comments have been swept under the rug. T4-A is surely done now - only a few things of interest left for Shu and iziz. No airships for us but perhaps the tweak to Beehives will make it possible to do one more walkabout in T4.

Even if new server shards are good for T5 there are still loads of problems. There is no character transfer. So your friends sign in to the wrong server and then you're done for the rest of pre-pay. A player who only wants to hold resources - well those with the money and the mules will just pop over to every server and claim all they can. It gives a whole new meaning to ECA/DPPRA/Scavenging. It does nothing to address the fundamental problems of the game. It does nothing to fix any of the issues that have arisen in T3/T4 (and probably earlier games too). And even if you WANT to play on the new shards - oh surprise! You need to pay a subscription again for every shard you want to try out. This is the best new-revenue stream Teppy's created - I can only surmise that there is not enough mule-revenue in Egypt already. Dunno how deep other's pockebooks are - but Shu doesn't have the fortune or time to play T4-ABCDE + T5-ABCDE so at best Teppy will keep Shu and iziz on ONE server and T5??? that's an unknown.

Teppy likes social experimentation. This is a huge social experiement with the "few" remaining players.

=== Squiranha ===

At this point I am very skeptical about this new shard idea. I strongly believe that both Teppy and the new players in T4 don't see all the implications of opening a new T4 world that needs to be built up from scratch. I want to address those two points of view separately.

1- Teppy has said many times that he believes the main problem of the mid-tale boredom (and the mass exodus of players in that period) is the length of the tale. I don't think that is entirely true. The main problem are the long periods with *nothing* happening. The early tale is exciting because there's a lot to do; level up, open the basic techs, work on the basic tests. The end tale usually draws back people because they want to get the monuments up, finish off the tale and move on to the next one, but often there's a sense of "a job that needs to be done" rather than the sense of excitement of the beginning of a new tale. In between we have the usual long stretches where the Story we were supposed to get has become completely irrelevant, a very low rate of new tests/techs release, no events (when was the last conflict tournament?).

Every tale has 49 tests. Several of them are available almost immediately when a tale starts. If the rest of them were to be released with a steady rate of one every two weeks, that would mean a tale could last around 18 months (which to me is pretty much the ideal duration), but every couple of weeks there would be something new to work on. So, once again, 18 months with a constant flow of novelties is *not* too long. 18 months with 8-10 months of the same old stuff while waiting for new tests is what is killing the game and pushing people away.

I would also like to add that the second half of the test have a level requirement that is too high for new players. It's easy to reach level 10-15, it takes longer to rise from that. So, when a new test is released (like Tattoo recently, level 17), it is immediately available to people who have been around for a while, but not to players that have been playing for a month or two, and that adds to their feeling of exclusion (I can't own a raeli oven, I can't compete with big guilds, I'll never catch up with the experienced players, and even this new test is something I can't even do yet).

2- I can relate to the frustration of players who have joined when T4 was well underway, having been in the same situation when I joined back in T2. What I didn't realize at the time are things that Rabble mentioned in his comment above: while I felt I was well behind everyone else, I was still able to take advantage of good flax seeds, automated machinery, advanced techs and all that. Only after playing T3 from the beginning was I fully aware that latecomers have disadvantages but also advantages. While it's true that those who join now will never be able to pass certain tests (like almost all of the Harmony tests), it's also true that they can travel by chariot, they can trade for gems without having to unlock Mining etc first, they can grow flowers without unlocking all the related techs first and so on and so on. If new players were to be thrown in a new empty shard, they would have to spend so much time grinding to unlock all the basic things, that the feeling of excitement would quickly wear off. Besides, I am quite convinced that even the excitement of the beginning of a Tale comes from having experienced the other phases of a Tale. If all one would see is the early Tale, which is heavily grinding oriented, one would get the feeling that in this game there's nothing but grinding, and I don't see how that could help retaining players.

So, to sum things up, new shards would make sense if the main Tale structure was well balanced, but right now it is not. A lot early on, a lot near the end, and close to nothing in between. That is the main problem. Splitting a community that is already dangerously close to the lower sustainable limit is not a viable solution.

=== Injeru ===

I'll chime in as a voice in support of the idea. Reading the wikipedia article Teppy referenced (Dunbar's number) gives some indication of his thinking. I can get behind the idea of making an attempt at smaller, more cohesive communities on separate servers, with room for everyone to have their place. I understand the concerns people are expressing, but I don't envision dire consequences even in the event of a failure of the idea. I think the biggest difficulty and expenditure of dev time will come from matters of tuning the game mechanics to present the desired challenge level for smaller groups. I have confidence from Teppy's comments that he's keeping in mind the current staff resources he has access to, and ways to prevent them from being spread too thinly. There's a lot that needs to be worked out still, but I have yet to see anything that has convinced me that our game experience on the primary server will be noticably degraded by having another server running an instance of the world. I'm actually curious and cautiously enthusiastic about the whole experiment.

== Yendor ==

I've posted my ideas on [http://atitd.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=548 the Forums] but in brief I think the idea is very dumb. At least for me personally, it does not address the reasons I decided not to renew for T4. I think it will cause T4A's population to decrease faster than it already is -- and I think in two months at the most, T4B will have even fewer people. I am greatly concerned that the people making the decision seem to be basing it on hopes and ideals rather than empirical evidence (has a game with declining population *ever* grown long-term by adding more of the same?).

I also agree with Squiranha that many of the players feeling overwhelmed on T4A will still feel overwhelmed in T4B. Just for comparison, I spent as many hours of work on an obelisk I built the last month of T2 (with greenhouses, brick machines, TheGoods) as I did for the one I built early in T3 (hand-picked straw, flimsy brick racks, student looms). And those tests with high scores? What makes you think the scores will be any lower in T4B? (But I do agree some tests like Festivals and many harmony ones are impossible unless you start working on them as soon as they are released)

== Philly ==

Here's my two cents. I started in T3 mid-tale and somehow made it through being brand new and having all my neighbors at insanely high levels and techs, having all kinds of toys I could never dream of building by the end of the tale. Somehow I got by. A new server (shard) may draw in new blood and make em happy, but gosh, how was it that you were able to draw me in and keep me hooked in T3? It wasn't a shard. :^(

This tale has been much harder than the previous tale, and I am thinking that was one of the primary reasons why tons of people left, not because they were brand new and could not compete with the hard-core players, but because requirements are WAY too much for the average $15.00/month player who plays this for fun, not as a career.

I am not afraid of change, however I feel that we may lose community by creating shards. And the name 'shard' is ironic, "a piece or fragment of a brittle surface". Hoping these shards will not break the community.

2009-08-30T23:03:10Z

Philadelphia:

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|thumbnail|Philly in space needle]]
Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 19 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 

== WORKS IN PROGRESS: ==
[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Philadelphia/Phillys_Resin_Requisition Philly's Resin Requisition] 
[[Image:Pando2.JPG|150px|Philly]]

I am the Resin Queen. I do resin. Yea, mindless task you may say, but I love walking the regions of Egypt chatting, foraging, and talking to the peeps. So resin is just a means to several goals.

Resin Targets:

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:Folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:Delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|-
|-
|[[Folded Birch]]
|[[Hawthorn]]
|[[Pratyeka]]
|[[Delta Palm]]
|-

File:Rlphilly.JPG

2009-08-30T23:02:42Z

Philadelphia: uploaded a new version of "Image:Rlphilly.JPG"

User:Philadelphia

2009-08-30T23:00:24Z

Philadelphia:

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|thumbnail|Philly and father-in-law]]
Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 19 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 

== WORKS IN PROGRESS: ==
[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Philadelphia/Phillys_Resin_Requisition Philly's Resin Requisition] 
[[Image:Pando2.JPG|150px|Philly]]

I am the Resin Queen. I do resin. Yea, mindless task you may say, but I love walking the regions of Egypt chatting, foraging, and talking to the peeps. So resin is just a means to several goals.

Resin Targets:

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:Folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:Delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|-
|-
|[[Folded Birch]]
|[[Hawthorn]]
|[[Pratyeka]]
|[[Delta Palm]]
|-

User:Philadelphia

2009-08-30T23:00:13Z

Philadelphia:

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|thumbnail|Philly and father-in-law]]
Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 19 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 

== WORKS IN PROGRESS: ==
[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Philadelphia/Phillys_Resin_Requisition Philly's Resin Requisition] 
[[Image:Pando2.jpg|150px|Philly]]

I am the Resin Queen. I do resin. Yea, mindless task you may say, but I love walking the regions of Egypt chatting, foraging, and talking to the peeps. So resin is just a means to several goals.

Resin Targets:

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:Folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:Delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|-
|-
|[[Folded Birch]]
|[[Hawthorn]]
|[[Pratyeka]]
|[[Delta Palm]]
|-

User:Philadelphia

2009-08-30T22:57:47Z

Philadelphia:

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|thumbnail|Philly and father-in-law]]
Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 19 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 

== WORKS IN PROGRESS: ==
[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Philadelphia/Phillys_Resin_Requisition Philly's Resin Requisition] 
[[Image:pando2.jpg|150px|Philly]]

I am the Resin Queen. I do resin. Yea, mindless task you may say, but I love walking the regions of Egypt chatting, foraging, and talking to the peeps. So resin is just a means to several goals.

Resin Targets:

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:Folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:Delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|-
|-
|[[Folded Birch]]
|[[Hawthorn]]
|[[Pratyeka]]
|[[Delta Palm]]
|-

File:Pando2.JPG

2009-08-30T22:57:07Z

Philadelphia:

User:Philadelphia

2009-07-04T15:47:24Z

Philadelphia:

= Philadelphia (aka Philly)=
[[Image:Rlphilly.JPG|150px|thumbnail|Philly and father-in-law]]
Saucy Minx, but tried and true friend nonetheless. Level 18 initiate of 7.
Philly started playing this game around the middle of T3. She has played, uninterrupted, though her time here becomes more and more limited with reality asking more and more of her time. And also? Sie spricht und schreibt ein bisschen Deutsch, aber ist es schlecht. 

== WORKS IN PROGRESS: ==
[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Philadelphia/Phillys_Resin_Requisition Philly's Resin Requisition] 
[[Image:Handstand.jpg|150px|Philly]]

I am the Resin Queen. I do resin. Yea, mindless task you may say, but I love walking the regions of Egypt chatting, foraging, and talking to the peeps. So resin is just a means to several goals.

Resin Targets:

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:Folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:Delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|-
|-
|[[Folded Birch]]
|[[Hawthorn]]
|[[Pratyeka]]
|[[Delta Palm]]
|-

2009-04-01T01:15:19Z

Philadelphia: /* Trees in Egypt: */

= Trees in Egypt: =
Trees are very important in the game. Trees produce [[wood]], [[resin]], provide hiding places for chicken [[eggs]] and roosting spots for [[Test of the Safari#Falcons|falcons]]. Royal Palms will also sometimes give you a perfect [[Palm Frond]].Below are pictures of the various trees growing in Egypt. This was created to serve as a reference in the hunt for specific tree [[Resin|resins]]. Knowing what a particular tree looks like is half the battle. This by no means is all the trees to be found in Egypt! It is a work in progress. Please add any trees I missed.

{| border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-
|[[Image:ash.JPG|150px|Ash]]
|[[Image:anaxi.JPG|150px|Anaxi]]
|[[Image:arconis.JPG|150px|Arconis]]
|[[Image:beetlenut.JPG|150px|Beetlenut]]
|[[Image:bloodbark.JPG|150px|Bloodbark]]
|[[Image:bottle_tree.JPG|150px|Bottle Tree]]

|-
|Ash
|Anaxi
|Arconis
|Beetlenut
|Bloodbark
|Bottle Tree
|-
|[[Image:bramble_hedge.JPG|150px|Bramble Hedge]]
|[[Image:boradleaf_palm.JPG|150px|Broadleaf Palm]]
|[[Image:butterleaf.JPG|150px|Butterleaf]]
|[[Image:cerulean_blue.JPG|150px|Cerulean Blue]]
|[[Image:chakkanut.JPG|150px|Chakkanut]]
|[[Image:chicory.JPG|150px|Chicory]]

|-
|Bramble Hedge
|Broadleaf Palm
|Butterleaf
|[[Cerulean Blue]]
|Chakkanut
|Chicory
|-
|[[Image:cinnar.JPG|150px|Cinnar]]
|[[Image:coconut_palm.JPG|150px|Coconut Palm]]
|[[Image:cricklewood.JPG|150px|Cricklewood]]
|[[Image:date_palm.JPG|150px|Date Palm]]
|[[Image:delta_palm.JPG|150px|Delta Palm]]
|[[Image:elephantia.JPG|150px|Elephantia]]
|-
|Cinnar
|Coconut Palm
|Cricklewood
|Date Palm
|Delta Palm
|Elephantia
|-
|[[Image:feather.JPG|150px|Feather Tree]]
|[[Image:fern_palm.JPG|150px|Fern Palm]]
|[[Image:folded_birch.JPG|150px|Folded Birch]]
|[[Image:giant_cricklewood.JPG|150px|Giant Cricklewood]]
|[[Image:hawthorn.JPG|150px|Hawthorn]]
|[[Image:hokkaido.JPG|150px|Hokkaido]]
|-
|Feather Tree
|[[Fern Palm]]
|[[Folded Birch]]
|Giant Cricklewood
|[[Hawthorn]]
|Hokkaido
|-
|[[Image:kaeshra.JPG|150px|Kaeshra]]
|[[Image:locust_palm.JPG|150px|Locust Palm]]
|[[Image:mini_palm.JPG|150px|Mini Palm]]
|[[Image:miniature_fern_palm.JPG|150px|Miniature Fern Palm]]
|[[Image:monkey_palm.JPG|150px|Monkey Palm]]
|[[Image:oil_palm.JPG|150px|Oil Palm]]
|-
|Kaeshra
|Locust Palm
|Mini Palm
|Miniature Fern Palm
|Monkey Palm
|Oil Palm
|-
|[[Image:oleaceae.JPG|150px|Oleaceae]]
|[[Image:orrorin.JPG|150px|Orrorin]]
|[[Image:passam.JPG|150px|Passam]]
|[[Image:pratyeka.JPG|150px|Pratyeka]]
|[[Image:phoenix_palm.JPG|150px|Phoenix Palm]]
|[[Image:ranyahn.JPG|150px|Ranyahn]]
|-
|Oleaceae
|Orrorin
|Passam
|[[Pratyeka]]
|Phoenix Palm
|Ranyahn
|-
|[[Image:razor.JPG|150px|Razor]]
|[[Image:red_maple.JPG|150px|Red Maple]]
|[[Image:royal_palm.JPG|150px|Royal Palm]]
|[[Image:savaka.JPG|150px|savaka]]
|[[Image:spiked_fishtree.JPG|150px|Spiked Fishtree]]
|[[Image:spindle_tree.JPG|150px|Spindle Tree]]

|-
|Razor
|Red Maple
|[[Royal Palm]]
|Savaka
|Spiked Fishtree
|Spindle Tree
|-
|[[Image:stout.JPG|150px|Stout]]
|[[Image:tapacae_miralis.JPG|150px|Tapacae miralis]]
|[[Image:tiny_oil_palm.JPG|150px|Tiny oil Palm]]
|[[Image:towering_palm.JPG|150px|Towering Palm]]
|[[Image:trilobellia.JPG|150px|Trilobelia]]
|[[Image:umbrella.JPG|150px|Umbrella]]
|-
|[[Stout]]
|Tapacae miralis
|Tiny Oil Palm
|[[Towering Palm]]
|Trilobelia
|[[Umbrella]]
|-
|[[Image:windriver.JPG|150px|Windriver Palm]]
|-
|Windriver
|}