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Akc2 at 06:46, 15 February 2009

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Akc2 at 21:57, 14 February 2009

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Akc2: New page: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/Guilds/Grandfathers_of_T3 Zaniac: Xanat Teppy: Ok, so right now I have it so that Xanet, for instance, is giving a +13/-13 effect, and the really common on...

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New page: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/Guilds/Grandfathers_of_T3 Zaniac: Xanat Teppy: Ok, so right now I have it so that Xanet, for instance, is giving a +13/-13 effect, and the really common on...

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Zaniac: Xanat
Teppy: Ok, so right now I have it so that Xanet, for instance, is giving a +13/-13 effect, and the really common ones are doing around 2.
Teppy: Camelmint gave +18
tlanthil: I got some spinnea for the first time an hour or two ago
Teppy: ILet me check that one.
Pascalito: and i just had first Enchanter's Plant
Zaniac: but what is this msg the herb is off?
Teppy: That means "Teppy is fixing the code, and if you see the numbers halfway thru and he changes them then you'll yell."
Teppy: Ok, now name some herbs that you see from time to time.
Malard: but wont we yell anyway?
Teppy: Yes, but this way you'll yell once. That way, twice.
Orrin: Squill
Teppy: That's +13 as I have it right now.
Zaniac: Whitebelly
Teppy: 7
Mudkest: Patchouli
Teppy: 18
Arame: Crampbark
Teppy: 3
Zaniac: Crampbark is common
Taff: buckler leaf
Teppy: 2
Arame: Bucklerleaf is common
Dreasimy: Pitcher Plant
Teppy: 10
Orrin: Tagetese
Sprocket: crampbark is relatively common, but definitely not amoung the 20-30 most common ones.. Please keep in mind that the herbs with useful stats (like crampbark) will be the most consumed ones
Teppy: Right.
Teppy: I see that used a lot in cooking.
Taff: bull's blood
Teppy: 18 on Bull's Blood. That must be pretty rare, right?
Teppy: Looks like at the current state we're maxxing out at 18.
Arame: Yes
Malard: dont have a great deal of it in my chests
Sprocket: with bot common and somewhat common hers giving +2-3 it will hardly worth it to try any kind of herb stacking
Teppy: Let's try some more of the not quite common, but not real rare ones.
Malard: if anything royal rosemary, wild garlic etc (c5 herbs) will have the highest potency for most of the tale.
Arame: Maybe Death's Piping?
Teppy: 13
Taff: Meadowsweet?
Teppy: 10
Teppy: So how would you categorize an herb like Meadowsweet?
Orrin: medium->rare
Vulpine: Do you track how often an herb is picked, or just the spawn rates of herbs and thus their realitive rarity?
Teppy: I know the spawn rates; it's the usage rates that are more interesting.
Malard: semi useful, only used it when doing white sand runs (eaten fresh)
Insomnia: i find meadowsweet quite a lot
TheMazeEcho: not really common, but in the middle range
Teppy: Ok, so I think that if an herb like that is giving 10's, then that's not so bad.
Taff: it depends on where you live, really

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		+	Jax: quality 401 Endurance -1 str, +1 edu
		+	Teppy: Ok, you need 500+ to start seeing the new effects.
		+	diania: using quality 515 citrus scented hopeful endurance, with weakness gave +2 end and - str
		+	Amhur: Got +2 con/-2 str from a quality 531
		+	Akmenotep: incense is basically irrelevant for most stats as it is only good in camp so prolly endurance
		+	Teppy: Pyramids, Marble (quarrying).
		+	Eldrad: Pyramids are too large a range
		+	Teppy: Well the burners are expensive right now, but if they were not- is the incense itself cheap enough to set up a bunch of burners?
		+	Rogan: are there any plans for optimizing graphic visiablilities to help with the lag?
		+	Teppy: Try under Options: Video
		+	Malard: Incense will be comeuseful only when we can build lots of cheap portables (or cheap temporary) burners then you could put them on a route you wanted to push blocks along
		+	Jax: yes, resin is easy to get this tale
		+	Rena: 601 Clove, hopeful dex, lethargy gives me +2 dex, -2 end
		+	Orrin: No teppy, the cactus sap is a bit costly per batch, maybe about 2/3s current cost?
		+	Jax: change the huge quartz requirement to a large quartz
		+	Teppy: Actually, that's soundslike a good level of challenge for incense burners.
		+	Teppy: Everyone agree?
		+	Teppy: Too easy?
		+	Eldrad: assuming you're on food and have 7 natural endurance most likely the time spent filling/lighting/setting up the burners not even counting the materials and the time making it would not be worth the ~25% bonus.
		+	Akmenotep: yep
		+	Tammie: no please don't i already have 4 huges saved for burners
		+	Malard: i agree with Jax, large quartz
		+	Malard: perhaps a medium quartz for a temporary burner which can only be used for N hours
		+	Teppy: Ooh, I have a great idea on that.
		+	Teppy: I'll make the type of burner affect how long the stick of incense burns.
		+	Teppy: 'Ok, so I'm going to do that next, then fix chocolates, then we'll do a Valentine's day event, sort of late, but hey, it's still VD here.
		+	diania: ok i have a potential problem i am burning 531 flowery giddy, con forgetful.. and not getting anything. but... i am still under the influence of the previous incense i have burned, but I cannot get the new stats to over write/replace the old stats
		+	Sprocket: sounds reasonable
		+	Orrin: Ehm... that's not really going to do much IMO, unless you mod the current burners to burn for much (very much) longer
		+	Teppy: Yeah, double the current ones, then have the largequartz variety burn for the now-current time.
		+	Jax: you should implement censers as portable incense burners
		+	Teppy: Later; with some new tech, or skill, or ___?
		+	Teppy: Somethine.
		+	Teppy: Ok, thanks, all. I'll have an announcement here when the new burners can be built.
		+	Teppy: Ok, you can now build windproof incense burners with either a huge or large quartz. Those built with a huge quartz, including already-built ones, now burn 2x longer.
		+	Teppy: Chocolates have nowbeen recoded...
		+	Teppy: To make up somewhat for the loss of potency, I have increased both the effect and duration of chocolates, and have given then some interesting new behavior.
		+	Teppy: They now stack in a whole new way, but do not magically recall stats from the past.
		+	Orrin: Offtopic but kinda important: Can you do some kinda dev announcement that I'm pretty sure OSX client has a sound bug? had 4 tests come out with it
		+	Teppy: Not tonight - I'm really exhausted - been coding for nearly 12 hours straight now.
		+	Teppy: We'll do the chocolate-finding event tomorrow - that's probably another hour of code.
		+	Orrin: Ok, I've talked to Pluribus, been doing some testing on Intel machines for him to try and work out the reasons/causes
		+	tehmoosh: can we put a chocolate on your pillow?
		+	Teppy: I'll be curious to know what you think of this new chocolate behavior. Let me know tomorrow how you consider their new "value."
		+	Teppy: As always, if there are any exploit bugs discovered, it's fine to call my cell phone - a lot of stuff got added and tweeked, so if you're unsure, be on the safe side and call: 1-412-973-7914
		+	Teppy: (If a GM is around, discuss the possible exploit first with him/her.)
		+	No1: do you have any idea of when (approx) the event will happen?
		+	Teppy: That will be the first thing I code tomorrow, assuming no exploits or higher-priority things between now and then.
		+	Teppy: 'night all, Teppy out!
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	Teppy: Ok, so I think that if an herb like that is giving 10's, then that's not so bad.		Teppy: Ok, so I think that if an herb like that is giving 10's, then that's not so bad.
	Taff: it depends on where you live, really		Taff: it depends on where you live, really
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		+	Teppy: 13
		+	Taff: Meadowsweet?
		+	Teppy: 10
		+	Teppy: So how would you categorize an herb like Meadowsweet?
		+	Orrin: medium->rare
		+	Vulpine: Do you track how often an herb is picked, or just the spawn rates of herbs and thus their realitive rarity?
		+	Teppy: I know the spawn rates; it's the usage rates that are more interesting.
		+	Malard: semi useful, only used it when doing white sand runs (eaten fresh)
		+	Insomnia: i find meadowsweet quite a lot
		+	TheMazeEcho: not really common, but in the middle range
		+	Teppy: Ok, so I think that if an herb like that is giving 10's, then that's not so bad.
		+	Taff: it depends on where you live, really
		+	Teppy: Ok, next I'm going to fool with the stacking-ness of herbs.
		+	cory0210: eek!
		+	cory0210: I love my herb stacking!
		+	Teppy: It won't go away, but it's going to change. More though=better.
		+	Teppy: Ok, see everyone back here in a bit.
		+	Sprocket: With this nerf of fresh herbs stacking definitely wouldn't be out of control anymore (like before)
		+	Teppy: Ok, another question or two...
		+	Teppy: On a "great" herb stack, how many different herbs is it possible to stack?
		+	Teppy: And on an "Ok" stack, how many?
		+	Orrin: For focus, 60 was good, I think there was a ceiling. You'd have to try pretty hard to stack less than 30
		+	Kartal: Is this assuming we are targeting a 'favorable' stat from an herb?
		+	Teppy: Yeah, let's assume that.
		+	tehmoosh: Orrin isn't that 30 or 60 figure the stat target, not the # of herbs you are eating?
		+	Teppy: I'm asking about how many individual herbs you might be able to consume.
		+	Arahgon: depends on the duration of the food you eat first , but normal i search for 3-5 herbs arround the camp with the needed stats and then i eat the base food and do a run to get the herbs so ill get 60+ on the wished stats
		+	Kartal: The 'most' ive ever stacked 3 herbs (2 were same type) but that was just due to locailty to where I wanted to fish at the time
		+	Orrin: When dowsing, I'd aim for 40 dex, 60+foc, 28 per, that'd be about 3 herbs
		+	Sprocket: It's rarely practical to find more than 2-3 herbs with the stats you're looking for
		+	Teppy: Ok, well let me tell you where I'm going with this...
		+	Teppy: Sort of didn't want to spill the beans, but it will still be fun I think...
		+	Mystraca: food durations are up to about 1:20, with planning ahead of time and pre-scouting you can prolly get 4-5 herbs easy
		+	Teppy: So I'm trying a formula where subsequent (stacked) herbs have a smaller effect, but the negative effects diminish much faster than the positive effects.
		+	Orrin: 3-5 herbs is the standard amount. You usually cant find any more than target your right stats close enough
		+	Ralomein: I never stacked beyond one, though I did get +67 Foc and Per once from a single herb.
		+	Zaniac: Mystraca the 1:20 are with anoyign herbs and not everyoen can do it most ppl get 50 mins
		+	orenwolf: Excuse the unitiated question: Are we talking "stacking" as in eating multiple from the earth, or cooking with them?
		+	Teppy: Fresh from the earth.
		+	Teppy: Cooking with multiple herbs is unchanged.
		+	Teppy: The goal of all this is to make cooking, incense, and all other stat boosters more potent relative to just eating raw herbs.
		+	Barek: Why do subsequent herbs have diminishing effect? Availability already limits the herbs that are eaten ...
		+	Teppy: The thinking is to make the order that you eat them in count.
		+	Sprocket: With common (useful) herbs giving +2 or +3 it will hardly be worth the bother to hunt around for a possible herb stacak. As it was before it could easily take 10-20 mins of preparation just to set up a route for some moderate herb stacking
		+	Orrin: TO be perfectly honest, I'm happy with any method that makes stacking redundant is good
		+	ellorin: that's not going to help with pyramids though Teppy, there are no herbs out in the desert
		+	Teppy: Right, but the increased incense potency and decreated timers on all the pyramid stuff will help with that.
		+	Kleopatra: will you change cooking as well?
		+	Teppy: No
		+	Teppy: Ok, that's what I needed - thanks all, back in a bit.