Talk:Firepit - Revision history

Numaris: /* Deviations from forumla */

2009-12-28T14:14:43Z

Deviations from forumla

Numaris at 13:49, 28 December 2009

2009-12-28T13:49:35Z

Numaris: /* Crematories */

2009-06-24T13:38:40Z

Crematories

Shebi: /* Crematories */ new section

2009-04-14T22:16:19Z

Crematories: new section

Atheus at 22:21, 8 April 2009

2009-04-08T22:21:50Z

Atheus at 23:19, 26 March 2009

2009-03-26T23:19:49Z

Numaris at 14:29, 21 March 2009

2009-03-21T14:29:34Z

Tumaini at 11:24, 21 March 2009

2009-03-21T11:24:15Z

Inkoaten at 09:52, 20 March 2009

2009-03-20T09:52:42Z

Serkwati at 12:45, 14 March 2009

2009-03-14T12:45:08Z

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 * Available now! --[[User:Numaris|Numaris]] 08:38, 24 June 2009 (EST)
-== Deviations from forumla ==
+== Deviations from formula ==
 (Discussion moved from main page; the table being referred to is the "Sample Yields" table)
 *This table implies that starting a fire, stoking once successfully, and ending, will result in 13 lime. This is not accurate -- I stoked three cycles and ended up with only 9. [[User:Cory|Cory]] 19:27, 22 June 2009 (EST)

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	As far as I recall, in T3 the crematory became available with Advanced Chemistry 1. So, for those wondering, until teppy tells the university researchers to make that available for donation, we're stuck with these lovely firepits. --[[User:Shebi\|Shebi]] 17:16, 14 April 2009 (EST)		As far as I recall, in T3 the crematory became available with Advanced Chemistry 1. So, for those wondering, until teppy tells the university researchers to make that available for donation, we're stuck with these lovely firepits. --[[User:Shebi\|Shebi]] 17:16, 14 April 2009 (EST)
	* Available now! --[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 08:38, 24 June 2009 (EST)		* Available now! --[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 08:38, 24 June 2009 (EST)
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		+	== Deviations from forumla ==
		+	(Discussion moved from main page; the table being referred to is the "Sample Yields" table)
		+	*This table implies that starting a fire, stoking once successfully, and ending, will result in 13 lime. This is not accurate -- I stoked three cycles and ended up with only 9. [[User:Cory\|Cory]] 19:27, 22 June 2009 (EST)
		+	** Assuming 96-100 limestone input, this would be accurate if you stoked the fire out prematurely (after about 2 minutes of total burn time). Any chance that happened? --[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]]
		+	*** Yes, that's what I did. Am I supposed to just wait it out? If so, is there any data on what the "stoked out" penalty is -- or possibly am I reading this table wrong, and it includes this somehow? [[User:Cory\|Cory]] 02:30, 8 July 2009 (EST)
		+	**** When you stoke out a fire, it stops its production time immediately. If you simply stop stoking and let it smoulder out gracefully, it will run and continue to produce for another 5 teppyminutes. The above table was built on the assumption of the latter. --[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]]
		+	***** I stoked for 45 teppy mins then let the fires die, but my returns were as if I stoked for 15 teppy mins. [[User:Linalia\|Linalia]] 05:14, 22 October 2009 (GMT)

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	As far as I recall, in T3 the crematory became available with Advanced Chemistry 1. So, for those wondering, until teppy tells the university researchers to make that available for donation, we're stuck with these lovely firepits. --[[User:Shebi\|Shebi]] 17:16, 14 April 2009 (EST)		As far as I recall, in T3 the crematory became available with Advanced Chemistry 1. So, for those wondering, until teppy tells the university researchers to make that available for donation, we're stuck with these lovely firepits. --[[User:Shebi\|Shebi]] 17:16, 14 April 2009 (EST)
		+	* Available now! --[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 08:38, 24 June 2009 (EST)

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	--[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 09:29, 21 March 2009 (EST)		--[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 09:29, 21 March 2009 (EST)
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		+	== Crematories ==
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		+	As far as I recall, in T3 the crematory became available with Advanced Chemistry 1. So, for those wondering, until teppy tells the university researchers to make that available for donation, we're stuck with these lovely firepits. --[[User:Shebi\|Shebi]] 17:16, 14 April 2009 (EST)

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	:::Can you try to reproduce it under controlled conditions and post your results here? I haven't seen any strange outliers like this in my own data, so I suspect a measurement error here more than anything. --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)		:::Can you try to reproduce it under controlled conditions and post your results here? I haven't seen any strange outliers like this in my own data, so I suspect a measurement error here more than anything. --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)
	::::I'm guessing it's a flaw in the code or suchlike, since it only happened to one of the fires. I'm 100% certain that it produced those amounts though, since I rechecked the firepit over and over to make sure I hadn't read it wrong or something. I've not experienced it more than one time, but will try to reproduce it when I get an opportunity. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 12.24, 21 March 2009 (CET)		::::I'm guessing it's a flaw in the code or suchlike, since it only happened to one of the fires. I'm 100% certain that it produced those amounts though, since I rechecked the firepit over and over to make sure I hadn't read it wrong or something. I've not experienced it more than one time, but will try to reproduce it when I get an opportunity. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 12.24, 21 March 2009 (CET)
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		+	The integerization of the input materials didn't sit right with me, but alas, it seems to be true. The following fires were run side-by-side for 40 teppyminutes (total runtimes within seconds of each other):
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		+	200 wood + 95 limestone + 99 papyrus + 99 flax + 99 leeks -> 61 ash + 47 charcoal + 21 lime
		+	200 wood + 80 limestone + 80 papyrus + 80 flax + 80 leeks -> 61 ash + 47 charcoal + 21 lime
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		+	--[[User:Numaris\|Numaris]] 09:29, 21 March 2009 (EST)

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	::Yes, I'm absolutely sure, since I don't have a single papyrus at the moment. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 10.08, 20 March 2009 (CET)		::Yes, I'm absolutely sure, since I don't have a single papyrus at the moment. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 10.08, 20 March 2009 (CET)
	:::Can you try to reproduce it under controlled conditions and post your results here? I haven't seen any strange outliers like this in my own data, so I suspect a measurement error here more than anything. --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)		:::Can you try to reproduce it under controlled conditions and post your results here? I haven't seen any strange outliers like this in my own data, so I suspect a measurement error here more than anything. --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)
		+	::::I'm guessing it's a flaw in the code or suchlike, since it only happened to one of the fires. I'm 100% certain that it produced those amounts though, since I rechecked the firepit over and over to make sure I hadn't read it wrong or something. I've not experienced it more than one time, but will try to reproduce it when I get an opportunity. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 12.24, 21 March 2009 (CET)

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	--[[User:Serkwati\|Serkwati]] 8:43, 14 March 2009 (EST)		--[[User:Serkwati\|Serkwati]] 8:43, 14 March 2009 (EST)
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		+	: You can edit the main page, you know :) --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)
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		+	Discussion moved from the main page:
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		+	As a note, I haven't quite figured out how to use the firepit correctly and I often stoke it at the wrong time, making the fire go out prematurely. Often this yields low amounts of ash, lime and charcoal, but recently something strange happened:
		+	I had three fires going, two loaded with 96 dried flax and 100 limestone, one with just 96 dried flax.
		+	The first went out prematurely after a few minutes only with 7 ash (IIRC), the second shortly thereafter with, I think, even lower yields.
		+	However, the last one lasted maybe 10-20 seconds longer before it ended prematurely and yielded 24 ash (26 lime and 48 cc)! It had then run for about 3-5 minutes, which shouldn't yield such amounts according to the above figures. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]]
		+	:Are you sure you didn't load the 3rd one with papyrus, not flax? 24 ash sounds about right for 100 papy for 5 mins --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 18:28, 19 March 2009 (EST)
		+	::Yes, I'm absolutely sure, since I don't have a single papyrus at the moment. -- [[User:Tumaini\|Tumaini]] 10.08, 20 March 2009 (CET)
		+	:::Can you try to reproduce it under controlled conditions and post your results here? I haven't seen any strange outliers like this in my own data, so I suspect a measurement error here more than anything. --[[User:Inkoaten\|Inkoaten]] 04:52, 20 March 2009 (EST)

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 Excellent update to the wiki.  However, two points.
-. Stoking once on the yellow following orange works fine.  One does not need to stoke once each on yellow->white->yellow
+* Stoking once on the yellow following orange works fine.  One does not need to stoke once each on yellow->white->yellow
-. When one is finished, repeatedly stoking will "ruin the fire prematurely" and put the fire out within a minute.  This saves time waiting for it to smolder out "naturally".
+* When one is finished, repeatedly stoking will "ruin the fire prematurely" and put the fire out within a minute.  This saves time waiting for it to smolder out "naturally".
 --[[User:Serkwati|Serkwati]] 8:43, 14 March 2009 (EST)