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−	~~Squiranha: GMT+2 in the summer, I'm in switzerland <br/>~~	+	Resetting.
−	~~Arame: Thanks!<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: any idea on how we could try to reach a consensus on who to send forward?<br/>~~
−	~~Emmylou: rock, paper scissors? lol<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Well, I was thinking the old "if I weren't going to vote for myself, I'd vote for~~ . ~~. ." plan (I started to do that yesterday, but you had asked us to wait for ya!)<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: ok Emmy, you say first what you have :P<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Pudding!<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: I was thinking the same Arame<br/>~~
−	Arame: My problem is, while I have a preference (Cali, as I mentioned yesterday), it's not a very distinct preference (95% vs. 90-94%, if you will). Everyone here seems like a good candidate, which you'd expect at this level.<br/>
−	Emmylou: if i weren't going to vote for myself, i'd vote for squiranha, having also been a dp last tale i have experienced first hand that squiranha is a really good mediator, the trouble is i have also seen sunnyone in action, so am torn between the 2<br/>
−	~~Squiranha: the choice is tough any way you look at it<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I'd be more inclined toward Squiranha to provide a differentiation in time-zones, plus the language benefit, IMHO.<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: I would probably vote for Sunny. I have nothing against any of you, I've just known her longer than you guys. Not the best critieria, but I honestly have nothing better<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Right on - that's why Cali has my preference as well - we've worked together in the past :)<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: Cali said something about when she'd be online, but it's scrolled off, do you remember what it was?<br/>~~
−	~~12 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Offline between 4-7 (it being almost 5 now)<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: SunnyOne's also going to try to be here tonight, but might have troubles.<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Mystivia's online, but I know she's been having a lot of RL interference as well.<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: I'll stay online another couple of hours, then I could pop in briefly tomorrow morning before going to work (between 8 and 9 from now), but then I won't be online when the round ends<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Right on.<br/>~~
−	~~11 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: woops. that was me forgetting to turn the game off when i ran off<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: LOL, figured as much - I've seen you do that before, I think ;)<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: i have. kid ran out of lunch money, had to run it, drop off prescriptions, clean the house, plan dinner then there's the baby and and and<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: hi Mystivia :)<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: hi there<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: so how's everyone doing? did i miss anything good<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: we started trying to find a way to move forward with the vote<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Read up the last page or two - that's the good stuff :)<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: most of it seems to have scrolled.<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: though, if I didn't vote for myself (and i haven't, i like to see if there's someone better) i'd go with Squir, for both prior experience as well as the language situation.<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Ah, not much of substance lost to the scroll, to be honest.<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: So far, everyone here has shown that their noggin is competant enough to do the job and their ideas are in the right direction.<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: at least from my standpoint.<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: same for me<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: though some I haven't gotten to hear the answers from<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Yepper<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: It's 1am, must go to bed. I'll be back in 7h or so and cast my vote then, for now good night :)<br/>~~
−	~~10 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Take care, Squiranha<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: If I don't see you before the round close, great chatting with you, meeting you, etc.<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: one of the things I like about DP rounds is that you get to know better people that you've seen around many times but never had the chance to really interacti with<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Definitely!<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha: and now really going to bed or tomorrow I'll be in a bad mood and yell at my student's :P<br/>~~
−	~~Squiranha waves<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: G'nite<br/>~~
−	~~Mystivia: and then there were 2<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: hehehe<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Cali should be back soon - kinda being quiet so we don't lose too much to the scroll.<br/>~~

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−	~~Resetting~~!	+	Squiranha: GMT+2 in the summer, I'm in switzerland <br/>
		+	Arame: Thanks!<br/>
		+	Squiranha: any idea on how we could try to reach a consensus on who to send forward?<br/>
		+	Emmylou: rock, paper scissors? lol<br/>
		+	Arame: Well, I was thinking the old "if I weren't going to vote for myself, I'd vote for . . ." plan (I started to do that yesterday, but you had asked us to wait for ya!)<br/>
		+	Squiranha: ok Emmy, you say first what you have :P<br/>
		+	Arame: Pudding!<br/>
		+	Squiranha: I was thinking the same Arame<br/>
		+	Arame: My problem is, while I have a preference (Cali, as I mentioned yesterday), it's not a very distinct preference (95% vs. 90-94%, if you will). Everyone here seems like a good candidate, which you'd expect at this level.<br/>
		+	Emmylou: if i weren't going to vote for myself, i'd vote for squiranha, having also been a dp last tale i have experienced first hand that squiranha is a really good mediator, the trouble is i have also seen sunnyone in action, so am torn between the 2<br/>
		+	Squiranha: the choice is tough any way you look at it<br/>
		+	Arame: I'd be more inclined toward Squiranha to provide a differentiation in time-zones, plus the language benefit, IMHO.<br/>
		+	Squiranha: I would probably vote for Sunny. I have nothing against any of you, I've just known her longer than you guys. Not the best critieria, but I honestly have nothing better<br/>
		+	Arame: Right on - that's why Cali has my preference as well - we've worked together in the past :)<br/>
		+	Squiranha: Cali said something about when she'd be online, but it's scrolled off, do you remember what it was?<br/>
		+	12 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: Offline between 4-7 (it being almost 5 now)<br/>
		+	Arame: SunnyOne's also going to try to be here tonight, but might have troubles.<br/>
		+	Arame: Mystivia's online, but I know she's been having a lot of RL interference as well.<br/>
		+	Squiranha: I'll stay online another couple of hours, then I could pop in briefly tomorrow morning before going to work (between 8 and 9 from now), but then I won't be online when the round ends<br/>
		+	Arame: Right on.<br/>
		+	11 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Mystivia: woops. that was me forgetting to turn the game off when i ran off<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL, figured as much - I've seen you do that before, I think ;)<br/>
		+	Mystivia: i have. kid ran out of lunch money, had to run it, drop off prescriptions, clean the house, plan dinner then there's the baby and and and<br/>
		+	Squiranha: hi Mystivia :)<br/>
		+	Mystivia: hi there<br/>
		+	Mystivia: so how's everyone doing? did i miss anything good<br/>
		+	Squiranha: we started trying to find a way to move forward with the vote<br/>
		+	Arame: Read up the last page or two - that's the good stuff :)<br/>
		+	Mystivia: most of it seems to have scrolled.<br/>
		+	Mystivia: though, if I didn't vote for myself (and i haven't, i like to see if there's someone better) i'd go with Squir, for both prior experience as well as the language situation.<br/>
		+	Arame: Ah, not much of substance lost to the scroll, to be honest.<br/>
		+	Mystivia: So far, everyone here has shown that their noggin is competant enough to do the job and their ideas are in the right direction.<br/>
		+	Mystivia: at least from my standpoint.<br/>
		+	Squiranha: same for me<br/>
		+	Mystivia: though some I haven't gotten to hear the answers from<br/>
		+	Arame: Yepper<br/>
		+	Squiranha: It's 1am, must go to bed. I'll be back in 7h or so and cast my vote then, for now good night :)<br/>
		+	10 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: Take care, Squiranha<br/>
		+	Arame: If I don't see you before the round close, great chatting with you, meeting you, etc.<br/>
		+	Squiranha: one of the things I like about DP rounds is that you get to know better people that you've seen around many times but never had the chance to really interacti with<br/>
		+	Arame: Definitely!<br/>
		+	Squiranha: and now really going to bed or tomorrow I'll be in a bad mood and yell at my student's :P<br/>
		+	Squiranha waves<br/>
		+	Arame: G'nite<br/>
		+	Mystivia: and then there were 2<br/>
		+	Arame: hehehe<br/>
		+	Arame: Cali should be back soon - kinda being quiet so we don't lose too much to the scroll.<br/>

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	Arame: I do share a guild with Kiya, so we speak fairly frequently, and I have good relationships with Astrina & Eldrad - so I know I can cooperate well with the other DPs.<br/>		Arame: I do share a guild with Kiya, so we speak fairly frequently, and I have good relationships with Astrina & Eldrad - so I know I can cooperate well with the other DPs.<br/>
	Arame: I'm not going to claim any great distinguishing factors - I think most serious candidates have the same mindset about many of the issues, and understand the roles. RL and in-game experience count for a little more, although RL doesn't always translate to chats.<br/>		Arame: I'm not going to claim any great distinguishing factors - I think most serious candidates have the same mindset about many of the issues, and understand the roles. RL and in-game experience count for a little more, although RL doesn't always translate to chats.<br/>
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		+	-- I missed a few lines here -- <br/><br/>
		+	MrFubar: yea very weird<br/>
		+	MrFubar: so..<br/>
		+	MrFubar: are you running for DP?<br/>
		+	Arame: Yes, I am seriously running (already passed KM last election)<br/>
		+	MrFubar: think you'll have a change on winning this election?<br/>
		+	Arame: Oh, as much as anyone, I suppose? Hard to say - people know who I am, and I don't think I've greatly upset anyone in particular<br/>
		+	MrFubar: didn't i saw your name a couple elections back in the egypt wide vote?<br/>
		+	Arame: Don't believe so - Coyan/Astrina, Eldrad/murtha, and Kiya alone.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: ah right<br/>
		+	Arame: Round 2's as far as I've gone before, but I was really aiming for principles at that point. I've had some people (including some people from past rounds) since convince me to legitimately run.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: well you sure have my support but im just looking for some hints for KM as i won't be going to rank 2 :p<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL<br/>
		+	Arame: Are you not interested, or just don't think you'll get the votes here?<br/>
		+	MrFubar: Yes im running for DP but I believe you are a better man for the job then I am<br/>
		+	Arame: Ah, ok - thank you. That means a lot, and not necessarily an easy thing to say.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: Yea a bit unlucky i got with you in rank3 :p<br/>
		+	Arame: Well - any points you'd like to bring forward? Ideas you have that you'd like brought forward by whomever it is that advances?<br/>
		+	MrFubar: well not that i have any revolutionary ideas for changing egypt. I just wanna see the person for the job<br/>
		+	MrFubar: the best*<br/>
		+	MrFubar: Do you believe that a DP can give a voice to the devs?<br/>
		+	Arame: Give a voice to the devs: do you mean be a voice for the devs to the people, or be a voice for the people to the devs?<br/>
		+	MrFubar: last one :)<br/>
		+	MrFubar: sorry it's getting late and my english is going backwards then :p<br/>
		+	Arame: That's ok, just clarifying.<br/>
		+	Arame: I don't know if DP affects that or not, to be honest. People talk to the devs all the time, and they do listen to some of it. Being DP might give it a little extra push, and of course, they're in a position to see issues that could repeat multiple times.<br/>
		+	1 day 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: If someone asked me to talk to the devs about something, though, I don't think I'd have a problem with that (anonymity guaranteed, etc.). But I wouldn't have to be DP to be in that situation, either.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: well i think DP is become a bit overrated by the people, like they expect a DP to change the ways of egypt for the better<br/>
		+	Arame: There are things that can be done by people to change Egypt, but they're not necessarily related to being DP.<br/>
		+	Arame: I think Rabble does an excellent job organizing events and helping people out a lot, for example (I've used him as an example before).<br/>
		+	MrFubar: yes i mean in bigger things, like for ex. changing the mining system, or the problem of big gamers putting realli ovens everywere<br/>
		+	Arame: Oh, yeah. That's not going to happen from a DP. Or at least, it's as likely as the conservatives & the liberals setting aside their differences and agreeing on something. . .<br/>
		+	Arame: Obelisk queues will continue, and competitive obelisk builders will continue, and they'll not agree with one another until the end of time.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: btw i do the same basic stuff as Rable but in smaller proportions as i'm not as much online or availible as him<br/>
		+	Arame: Ah, cool - I know his because he keeps them up on the wiki Current Events page, and because he pushes them on E! regularly.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: yes i know :)<br/>
		+	Arame: He's also helped me by donating a lot of shrooms & such whenever I ask for them - but again, we're on similar time schedules!<br/>
		+	Arame: One thing I would like to see different this tale is the forum. I'm fairly active on it, but it's really very empty. Maybe 10-20 regular users there.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: yea i don't use the forum<br/>
		+	MrFubar: it's all so time consuming<br/>
		+	Arame: I hit the forum while I'm at work, gives me a nice break from avoiding work ;)<br/>
		+	Arame: And I get my Egypt-fix in during the day, that way.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: lol<br/>
		+	MrFubar: well anyway, i have to go get some sleep<br/>
		+	Arame: Ok, take care, and thanks again for your vote of confidence.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: np at all, you deserve it<br/>
		+	MrFubar: but should i put you up for KM? :p<br/>
		+	MrFubar: or wait a bit longer :p<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL<br/>
		+	Arame zips his lips.<br/>
		+	nunzia voted for Arame as Demi-Pharaoh.<br/>
		+	Arame: Thank you, nunzia<br/>
		+	Nyasara voted for Arame as Demi-Pharaoh<br/>.
		+	Nyasara: You will do well, Arame<br/>
		+	1 day 21 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: Thank you as well, Nyasara.<br/>
		+	1 day 20 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	1 day 19 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	1 day 18 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>

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	Arame: Pleasure's mine :)<br/>		Arame: Pleasure's mine :)<br/>
	Arame: I'll drop that @ User:Arame/TempChat (unless someone has a better spot for it). Feel free to /copy from here and add to it (please) when I'm not about.<br/>		Arame: I'll drop that @ User:Arame/TempChat (unless someone has a better spot for it). Feel free to /copy from here and add to it (please) when I'm not about.<br/>
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		+	nezbia: Will do! :)<br/>
		+	Arame: Take care :)<br/>
		+	nezbia: you as well<br/>
		+	2 days 21 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	MrFubar: back again :)<br/>
		+	nezbia: As you can see.. arame got the chat between us! :)<br/>
		+	MrFubar: lol<br/>
		+	MrFubar: you all americans?<br/>
		+	nezbia: lol... i am .. never asked amare<br/>
		+	nezbia: I am guessing he is...<br/>
		+	MrFubar: :p
		+	nezbia: This is going to be really interesting! :)<br/>
		+	nezbia: Good canidates in this one! <br/>
		+	MrFubar: yea :)<br/>
		+	2 days 20 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	2 days 19 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	2 days 18 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: Yes - I'm American (Ohio, GMT-0400)<br/>
		+	2 days 17 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	2 days 16 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	nezbia: You are my neighbor Arame... PA<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL, really?<br/>
		+	Arame: Oh, yeah - Pittsburgh<br/>
		+	nezbia: lol... yup... <br/>
		+	Arame: But I'm SW Ohio, so about 8 hours, but I've been through there a number of times.<br/>
		+	nezbia: I've been through there a few times... but I dont think to far down<br/>
		+	nezbia: maybe i have... akron....<br/>
		+	nezbia: been a while<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Well, did not even realize the next round had begun, and that I had advanced :)<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL! Hi there Nyasara<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I am from America as well, Colorado, in RL I am a non-comissioned officer in the Army, which obviously has given me a teensy bit of experience with conflict resolution<br/>
		+	Nyasara: But this is rather different: my piece is simple, and i'll say it now<br/>
		+	nezbia: Why hello Nyasara<br/>
		+	Nyasara: hi Arame and nezbia...sorry, should have said that first :)<br/>
		+	nezbia: Please do...<br/>
		+	nezbia: lol<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Banning is obviously a last resort, and ultimately one of limited utility, as the person can just make a new account and come back<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Therefore, of course, mediating is best whenever possible....<br/>
		+	nezbia: that is why i agree with the temp bans to give them a chance<br/>
		+	nezbia: kind of like a time out...<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Having said that, I have absolutely no problem with using the power to ban if all else has failed. While I count many friends in this game, it is to me a game, a place to relax, and if someone is disrupting that, they need to go, at least temporarily, permanently if necessary<br/>
		+	nezbia: I do agree....<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I would promise to never use a ban in any situation in which I had the slightest personal interest (guild-mate, associate, etc.) and would support whichever DP I can find to mediate for me<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I think that the people who play this game generally are good people who have an interest in community, and therefore mediation should be able to solve most problems, and will work that angle as long as I am needed<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I think we would all do that<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Not sure what else to say, so I will descend from the pulpit, thanks for your time<br/>
		+	nezbia: You are welcome Nayasara and thank you!<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL - I always feel like I'm "soap-boxing" whenever I'm in DP rounds :)<br/>
		+	Arame: I personally don't see the ban as a legitimate tool in the game, although the temp ban does help that out tremendously.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: The temp ban makes a good slap on the wrist, and some people do respond to that kind of wake-up call<br/>
		+	Nyasara: i.e. "You done messed up enough that I'm seriously angry, now stop"<br/>
		+	Arame: Yeah, definitely.<br/>
		+	2 days 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: The perma-ban, though? The only occasion I'd see it useful for would be intentional griefers, and they've got no particular attachment to their account.<br/>
		+	Arame: (before we go too much further, I'm logging chats at User:Arame/TempChat - with your permission, I'll continue doing so. Makes it easier to keep track of the scroll-off)<br/>
		+	nezbia: If you have a minute arame... I will explain my situation for you with the guy I requested be removed from our guild<br/>
		+	Arame: Yeah, it'll let me take a few minutes away from the kitchen (festival!!)<br/>
		+	Arame: (or rather, the spreadsheets)<br/>
		+	nezbia: Okay... the guy that was removed....<br/>
		+	nezbia: He came to me in a sexual manner<br/>
		+	nezbia: inappropriately might i add<br/>
		+	nezbia: and it got worse<br/>
		+	nezbia: so i went to the elders...<br/>
		+	Arame: Ah, that would be a difficult situation.<br/>
		+	nezbia: and let them know and requested he be removed<br/>
		+	nezbia: I did not want, need or deserve that<br/>
		+	Arame: Seems like a good call - was there any attempt at mediating, or was it bad enough to just take immediate action on?<br/>
		+	Nyasara: that sort of thing is definitely not to be tolerated<br/>
		+	nezbia: yes mediating did not work.. he was jerk<br/>
		+	Nyasara: So, my question is this (different topic)....What, truly, do we use to distinguish amongst ourselves<br/>
		+	Nyasara: In the first round, I was the one who was not in it for the principle, but one would hope that this is not a factor by now<br/>
		+	nezbia: gonna be afk for minute<br/>
		+	Arame: I hope so as well - from the discussion we've seen already, that's not the case so far (I've seen chat from at least 5 of us)<br/>
		+	Arame: And a difficult question, Nyasara, for certain.<br/>
		+	Arame: Earlier, I was talking about the various roles of the DP, which might be one option - we could compare one another based on those aspects. Yendor, I believe, also had some specific ideas for a DP council, which is another differentiation.<br/>
		+	Arame: (the having new & specific ideas, that is, as the differentiation itself).<br/>
		+	Arame: I'm running for DP and would like to move on, but I'm also very happy to advance another good candidate, and most of the chat that I've seen indicates we have several.<br/>
		+	nezbia: sorry gotta log.. rl things... talk to you tomorrow<br/>
		+	Arame: G'nite, nezbia.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Good night nezbia.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: ok, just caught up on chat from your log<br/>
		+	Arame: Ok - you all right with me posting up there? I've had some people in the past who wanted DP kept very private.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I don't care, I don't plan on saying anything that needs to be private<br/>
		+	Nyasara: As far as ideas and thoughts, I have two off the top of my head<br/>
		+	Nyasara: 1) DP should be a more visible role, and more obvious, short of wiki, I have no idea how to know who the DPs are...should be something posted at voting booths or something, to make more available to new players<br/>
		+	Nyasara: 2) In addition, I've been watching E!, and basic ettiquette (sp?) issues like nicking seem to be a big community anger source, which makes sense<br/>
		+	Nyasara: However, again, new players just don't have a way to know...I played for a month before I learned E! was there and how to join<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Therefore, (and I keep meaning to write this legislation), I think welcome banners should include a pamphlet, which can be written by a DP (or perhaps agreed to by all)<br/>
		+	Nyasara: That is "distributed" to all new arrivals when they hit a welcome banner<br/>
		+	Arame: Right on. That might be a good way to start addressing the deeper issue of lack-of-mentorship.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: (in-game explanation that gets past physics veto or something...cost of X papyrus paper paid by a DP to ULead for printing)<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Obviuosly it would not have the strength of law, but it would get things started...no names of guilds or players could be mentioned (to avoid cries that this is a space for DPs to "advertise")<br/>
		+	Arame: Good point there.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: ugh, when you post this, correct my typos, please :)<br/>
		+	Arame: FYI, if you're thinking of writing a law on it, use the forums - there's an area specifically for proofreading & conceptualizing, to try to close the loopholes.<br/>
		+	Arame: Although you've thought that out pretty well already, from the sound of it.<br/>
		+	Arame: I haven't really looked - is there a good "Welcome to Egypt" guide on the wiki, even? E!, Bazaar, to-do's and to-don'ts?<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I've been kicking it around for a while, just been too lazy to get on the forums...and yeah, I'm in software and intelligence, so walking things out a ways to see problems is a specialty of sorts<br/>
		+	Nyasara: There is a new player guide, but even getting pointed to the wiki takes trial and error for some<br/>
		+	Arame: Yepper, and it looks like it could use some TLC as well.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: I'm a firm believer in idiot-proofing things...if it pops up the minute they hit the mainland, then they don't have an excuse<br/>
		+	Arame: My problem is, every time I'm near a welcome banner, it's always teleport to 0. I think there needs to be an easier way to tell if new folks are on the Island.<br/>
		+	Nyasara: Wait, I know how to distinguish myself, vote for me and get free wine! Why didn't I think of this sooner?<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL<br/>
		+	Arame: Name recognition is probably my biggest distinguishing factor, which, while useful for the general election, doesn't necessarily make me the best candidate.<br/>
		+	Arame: I do share a guild with Kiya, so we speak fairly frequently, and I have good relationships with Astrina & Eldrad - so I know I can cooperate well with the other DPs.<br/>
		+	Arame: I'm not going to claim any great distinguishing factors - I think most serious candidates have the same mindset about many of the issues, and understand the roles. RL and in-game experience count for a little more, although RL doesn't always translate to chats.<br/>

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	+	-- I have some earlier chat with YendorHut, MrFubar, and nezbia, but I'm holding off posting it until the others have OK'd the post (it's not that much) --

	+	Arame: Howdy there, all</br>
	+	nezbia: Hello Arame!</br>
	+	Arame: Catching up on some of the chat so far - with everyone's consent, I'll start logging that as well, so we don't lose any to the foul scroll-away.</br>
	+	Arame: For the record, I've probably got the strongest name recognition, but that doesn't necessarily make me the strongest leader, to MrFubar's comment. Burying my head in spreadsheets for a week or two doesn't necessarily qualify as leadership ;)</br>
	+	nezbia: Lol... understood :)</br>
	+	Arame: I also didn't catch who else is in this round - scrolled away from me!</br>
	+	nezbia: Umm... i know one is nunzia</br>
	+	Arame: Thank ya - I'm sure the others will pop in later today as well, so we'll find out soon enough.</br>
	+	nezbia: Most I don't know but have seen around on an occasion</br>
	+	nezbia: Yes, I feel a little intimidated because I am the newest person here :)</br>
	+	Arame: I definitely recognize a couple of the names from E! or from around Egypt, yes.</br>
	+	nezbia: this is my first tale... and the shortest time in egypt compared you ya'll! ;)</br>
	+	Arame: Eh, don't be too intimidated. Name recognitiion is helpful for the final election, but not necessarily the end-all be-all.</br>
	+	nezbia: I understand.... I guess I fear that this being a popularity test versus who is best for the position</br>
	+	Arame: Well, it partly is. There are going to be some people that will vote based on "Hey, I've heard of that guy, and not in a bad way." - but most people (I hope) are going to read the debates and choose the best candidate.</br>
	+	nezbia: Yes, I think you always have that... I am not in it for popularity... :)</br>
	+	Arame: All that said, I am running for this seriously (already passed KM).</br>
	+	nezbia: I could put out a campaign... </br>
	+	nezbia: but... they are words... I would rather show people how I am</br>
	+	nezbia: and I hope those that i do come in contact with.. have seen that</br>
	+	Arame: Yeah, that's always the difficult part, putting the how into words in these debates.</br>
	+	Arame: FYI - I'm just on lunch - I operate at GMT-4 right now.</br>
	+	Arame: So, would you like to talk about why we each want to be DP or feel that we'd be good for the role? I have a limited timeframe, but we can start that discussion, if you'd like.</br>
	+	nezbia: That is fine Arame</br>
	+	nezbia: I know for me... dp is a title</br>
	+	nezbia: I lead by example at all times</br>
	+	nezbia: I am honest, I don't judge and believe I am fair</br>
	+	Arame: All good qualities for a DP to have.</br>
	+	nezbia: As to why I want to be dp... I believe that as a leader .. they should be able to follow</br>
	+	nezbia: be open</br>
	+	nezbia: and most of all... </br>
	+	nezbia: have respect for t hemselves first... so they can better respect others</br>
	+	nezbia: I can say.. I have been in rl leadership roles... </br>
	+	nezbia: and to vote for me... but I want to gain the trust of the players in the group</br>
	+	nezbia: Show them.. I am not full of bull and would honestly do the best job possible! :)</br>
	+	nezbia: I am not well known... however, I am well liked :)</br>
	+	nezbia: Those who know me... they are the one's who encouraged me to run for dp</br>
	+	Arame: Great, that's a good sign!</br>
	+	nezbia: don't get me wrong.. :)</br>
	+	nezbia: I am the biggest sweetheart around... but i don't tolerate disrespect either</br>
	+	Arame: I'm always torn as to whether to go after DP myself - it's a lot of responsibility to take on, and part of my approach to Egypt is that it is a game.</br>
	+	nezbia: I have already come across someone in my guild that was kicked out for it...</br>
	+	nezbia: It is a game! :) and it is a big responsibility</br>
	+	Arame: But, because we're dealing with other RL people, there's more of a commitment than a "normal"? game.</br>
	+	nezbia: And yes.. knowing who to vote for... is a problem</br>
	+	nezbia: Yes I agree.</br>
	+	nezbia: What I find myself doing is asking those I know about the dp caniddates</br>
	+	nezbia: what do they know of them... what kind of person are they</br>
	+	Arame: Good approach to take, yes.</br>
	+	nezbia: I know anyone can say anything...</br>
	+	nezbia: but it doesn't always come from there heart</br>
	+	nezbia: For me.. I speak from the heart.. what you see is what you get :)</br>
	+	Arame: Right on! I'll admit, I have a cynicism filter on most of my chat - I am naturally cynical, but I keep it in check in chats & such.</br>
	+	Arame: (and you don't want to drive in a car with me, I'm loud & obnoxious, with the windows up!!)</br>
	+	nezbia: lol</br>
	+	Arame: As far as myself and DP is concerned, I see the DP as having a number of potential roles in Egypt - and I say potential, because not every DP will fit every role.</br>
	+	nezbia: nod</br>
	+	Arame: DP as leader - someone who organizes events and activities (Rabble is the best example of this in Egypt, I think).</br>
	+	Arame: DP as mediator - someone who helps to resolve conflicts. This usually tends to be more low-key.</br>
	+	nezbia: nod</br>
	+	Arame: DP as a figurehead - the title itself suggests a certain level of confidence Egypt-wide in the person, so their word might count for more in a discussion.</br>
	+	Arame: And DP as mentor - someone who really helps out new people, or helps people achieve goals that they might be struggling with.</br>
	+	Arame: I'm leaving out DP as disciplinarian - I don't think it's a very valid role for the DP, even though the ban is what many focus on.</br>
	+	nezbia: It is... </br>
	+	nezbia: I believe it does go deeper than that .. you are an expample of a true citizen</br>
	+	Arame: As far as my suitability - I'm a decent leader, although I keep it fairly localized. I organized a pilgrimage (with friends and with strangers-now-friends). I've organized a pyramid-build, but with a small group of people.</br>
	+	Arame: With mentor, I'm probably better at helping established people than mentoring new people - I've helped a lot of people with resin for ovens, and I helped some of the early silk-farmers with mats for more farms (figuring the more the better). I give assistance to new people in regional when they ask, but I don't really go out of my way to chase mentoring opportunities.</br>
	+	nezbia: I do not have the background most of you all do, however, with me being new to the game.. it gives egypt a freshe pair of eyes! :)</br>
	+	Arame: Very true - and I only played a bit of T3, so I'm not that experienced with the game. I rely on my guildmates, frequently, to answer questions - especially about advanced techs.</br>
	+	nezbia: Part of being a leader is admitting you don't know all</br>
	+	nezbia: I will be the first person to ask for help or if I don't know to let someone know I don't know but i will get the answer for them</br>
	+	Arame: From a figurehead perspective, I think I've already got a certain "status" (probably not the right word I'm looking for), so that aspect wouldn't change much, I'd think.</br>
	+	nezbia: the only status i have here .. is i am the only person who met players before becoming one! :)</br>
	+	Arame: LOL</br>
	+	nezbia: I was at the meet in pgh... so I met a lot of them... :)</br>
	+	nezbia: that was how I ended up here </br>
	+	Arame: I saw that you were in the player meet guild! That's an advantage in and of itself :)</br>
	+	nezbia: Lol... they were just happy i didn't kick them out!! lol</br>
	+	nezbia: j/k</br>
	+	Arame: lol</br>
	+	nezbia: Naw.. they were a good bunch of people... </br>
	+	nezbia: I loved talking with them..</br>
	+	Arame: How did you happen to go to the Meet?</br>
	+	nezbia: It was at the hotel I work at..</br>
	+	nezbia: I met a few who showed up before the meet started...</br>
	+	Arame: Ah, cool - that explains the "kick them out"! I'm slow today!</br>
	+	nezbia: then... ended up meeting them all! :)</br>
	+	nezbia: Yes.. I am security there! :)</br>
	+	Arame: Excellent. I used to do some bouncing on the weekends, but not sure that's even in the same ballpark.</br>
	+	nezbia: In a way... our job is to keep order.. :)</br>
	+	Arame: Yepper - stop problems before they start!</br>
	+	nezbia: Exactly! :)</br>
	+	Arame: The mediator role, though, to touch on that, is the toughest to prove out in-game. I imagine you do deal with that quite a bit through your job, though.</br>
	+	Arame: I'm a software engineer, so it's not actively a big part of my everyday life.</br>
	+	Arame: I can only say that I'm good at balancing both sides and understanding different perspectives, especially in things like the obelisk queue.</br>
	+	Arame: Sometimes you have to agree to disagree, but convincing others of that is where the real challenge comes into play.</br>
	+	Arame: (and if I had an easy answer for that one, I'd have used it already!!)</br>
	+	nezbia: Yes.. to find a reasonable solution is not always easy</br>
	+	nezbia: conflict resolution is not for everyone</br>
	+	nezbia: I happen to be good at ... that is why i do what i do</br>
	+	Arame: Very nice</br>
	+	nezbia: I can diffuse almost any situation...</br>
	+	nezbia: and come to a resolution</br>
	+	nezbia: to where everyone is appeased</br>
	+	nezbia: but don't have a problme asking people to leave either! :)</br>
	+	Arame: LOL</br>
	+	Arame: I do want to hear a little more about the in-guild problem you mentioned earlier, and how you handled that situation. . . but, I need to get back to RL here.</br>
	+	nezbia: no problem.. I am sure I will catch you at some point of the next couple of days</br>
	+	Arame: Before I run off - do you mind if I log this chat where everyone else can get to it? Makes it a bit easier to communicate with everyone on different timezones, etc.</br>
	+	nezbia: That is fine... :) It has been a pleasure! :)</br>
	+	Arame: Pleasure's mine :)</br>
	+	Arame: I'll drop that @ User:Arame/TempChat (unless someone has a better spot for it). Feel free to /copy from here and add to it (please) when I'm not about.</br>

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−	~~Demi-Pharaoh Rank 4. <br/>~~
−	~~Welcome Mulette, CelAmun, Lauroleus, Jaby, Arame, Rigel, Kiserai. <br/>~~
−	~~In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh. <br/>~~
−	~~More information can be found at voting booths. <br/>~~
−	~~2 days 23 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. <br/>~~
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−	~~Lauroleus voted for himself as Demi-Pharaoh. <br/>~~
−	~~2 days 16 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Howdy there, all. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: hello Arame <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Ok, camp chores done for the moment - would you like to talk DP a bit, or wait until we have another person or two around? <br/>~~
−	~~2 days 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: well, could you explain to me what it all really means, it must sound ignorant, but I just followed the Kingmaker test here <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: I'm a real new player :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Ah, ok <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Let's see . . . in previous tales, DemiPharaoh was a leadership test, so you wanted to be DP if you were pursuing that line. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: They changed that to Kingmaker this time <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Essentially, there are xx rounds of 7 people, each of which advance 1 person to form new groups of 7. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Until there's < 7 people, and it goes to general election. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: So, one of us will advance to "round 2", etc. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: There's usually about 3 rounds <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: ahh, that's why others couldn't see our election yet <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: A DP has a lot of roles, and it kind of depends on who you ask <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: To some, they're just a figurehead. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: But the "concrete" power that they have is that they can BAN a player. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Up to 7 times. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: They're kind of considered the leaders of Egypt, to some extent, though. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: And they're generally called upon to mediate disputes. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: ouch, sounds important <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Yeah - we really only elect so often - there are 3 now: Kiya, Eldrad, and Astrina. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: ah, there can be more than 1? <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Right - we elect a new one, but they just take a place next to the existing ones. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: sounds like the spot should go to someone quite a bit more experienced than me though :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: But different people see different roles for the DP: conflict resolution, organizing events, mentoring, etc. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: LOL - sometimes new blood isn't bad, Lauroleus. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: One of the typical arguments you'll see in here is that we get the same group of people in as DP tale after tale. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Two other things. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: ah yeah, that sounds logical <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: 1) These debates can get very political / ugly - be careful. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: okay <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: 2) Voting for yourself early on might be considered taboo, just FYI <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Since you're new, no one will probably care, but don't be surprised if it comes up :) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: errrr, can I change my vote or rescind it or something? <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I generally like the group to try to reach a consensus on the best candidate, then all vote together, but that doesn't always happen. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I don't know - I'll check at the next voting booth. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: yeah, I didn't know how this was supposed to go, so I accidentally clicked on a vote already :( <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Oh - and I'll be copying the chat logs to text file as I go, because we always lose these screens. With everyone's permission, I'll post that on a temp wiki page. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: sure :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it too much on the vote, just wanted to warn ya for next time around ;) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: indeed, thanks for the warning :) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: and for the explanation :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Most welcome <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I am running seriously this time around, FYI - I've passed Kingmaker already, and am here for the actual DP stuff ;) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: well, you sounds nice enough, and have written a nice contribution to the wiki :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Thank you - name recognition is something that's kind of important when it comes to the general election, although it doesn't necessarily make me a good candidate by itself. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: I guess not, but I'm sure you'll tell more about your politics here soon :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I think I'm a pretty well-balanced person, though. I'll gripe & moan my fair share, but I don't throw hysterics - I'm a firm believer in a low-drama Egytp :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: If you want to hear it - I don't mind waiting for other people, because we'll end up repeating a lot ;) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: I'm willing to wait, you're going to have to tell the others as well anyways :) <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: what's the temp wiki location you'll post the chats? in case I miss things <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: I haven't written the page yet, let me do that. <br/>~~

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−	~~Lauroleus: oh, btw, what happens at a tied vote? <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Working at User:Arame/TempChat, but need to get line breaks in. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Tied vote, no one advances from our group. <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: oh, that's harsh <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Right - that's part of our job is to avoid a tied vote (unless we feel there are no good candidates) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Ok, try http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Arame/TempChat <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: yes, it works :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: If I'm not around for chat, just use /copy to grab the chat contents - I paste it into TextPad, add line breaks, and throw it on the page. <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: But if you're feeling lazy, just throw it on the page and I'll add the line breaks in later! <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: will it copy all chat, or only as far as you can scroll up? <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: And of course, check with everyone before posting anything they say, please <br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: of course :) <br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Only as far as you can scroll, that's why I like to use it. Otherwise, someone coming in tomorrow misses all the chat from today. <br/>~~
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−	Arame: FYI - I think, looking at this closer, that there's only three of us involved here: I see a lot of high-number days since last login, although there are a couple that might just be gone for a short time. <br/>
−	~~2 days 3 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: CelAmun (4days), Jaby (6days), Kiserai (15d), Mulette (56d)<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Which leaves Rigel, Laruoleus, and I (and I just missed Rigel by, like, 2 minutes tonight.<br/>~~
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−	~~Arame: Rigel, in case I don't catch you again, any thoughts on DP? Are you interested in running, or passing KM principles, etc? Anything you want to know about?<br/>~~
−	~~1 day 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
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−	~~Lauroleus changed his vote for Demi-Pharaoh from Lauroleus to Arame.<br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: seems I can change my vote after all, if none of the others show up, you're having my vote for sure, Arame<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Thanks, Lauroleus. Hopefully we hear from Rigel tonight sometime - I'd like him to have a chance to give his input.<br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: absolutely, then I'll just choose between you guys<br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: but now at least I'm sure someone will win this round who didn't just join for his Kingmaker test ;)<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: lol<br/>~~
−	~~Lauroleus: good luck, Arame, I'm off to sleep for the night<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Ok, take care!<br/>~~
−	~~1 day 11 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>~~
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−	~~CelAmun: hello e1. just back fr vacation. bad timing i guess, lol/<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Hey, CelAmun!<br/>~~
−	~~CelAmun: oh no! my spouse moved me and i'm stuck! lol<br/>~~
−	~~CelAmun: and hello arame<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Nothing written in stone yet, just haven't had much participation yet :)<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: LOL<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Dropped ya on an island somewhere without a ferry?<br/>~~
−	~~CelAmun: lol<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Running afk a bit here & there - dinner on the grill.<br/>~~
−	~~CelAmun: no just a little too far fr my warehouse, but its nbd. that would have been funny tho<br/>~~
−	~~CelAmun: rgr<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: Anywhere special for vacation, then?<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: (FYI, you can read up on prior chat here @ User:Arame/TempChat, and with your permission, I'll continue the logging)<br/>~~
−	~~Arame: And feel free to add to that when I'm not around ;)<br/>~~

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		+	Lauroleus: oh, btw, what happens at a tied vote? <br/>
		+	Arame: Working at User:Arame/TempChat, but need to get line breaks in. <br/>
		+	Arame: Tied vote, no one advances from our group. <br/>
		+	Lauroleus: oh, that's harsh <br/>
		+	Arame: Right - that's part of our job is to avoid a tied vote (unless we feel there are no good candidates) <br/>
		+	Arame: Ok, try http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Arame/TempChat <br/>
		+	Lauroleus: yes, it works :) <br/>
		+	Arame: If I'm not around for chat, just use /copy to grab the chat contents - I paste it into TextPad, add line breaks, and throw it on the page. <br/>
		+	Arame: But if you're feeling lazy, just throw it on the page and I'll add the line breaks in later! <br/>
		+	Lauroleus: will it copy all chat, or only as far as you can scroll up? <br/>
		+	Arame: And of course, check with everyone before posting anything they say, please <br/>
		+	Lauroleus: of course :) <br/>
		+	Arame: Only as far as you can scroll, that's why I like to use it. Otherwise, someone coming in tomorrow misses all the chat from today. <br/>
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		+	Arame: FYI - I think, looking at this closer, that there's only three of us involved here: I see a lot of high-number days since last login, although there are a couple that might just be gone for a short time. <br/>
		+	2 days 3 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
		+	Arame: CelAmun (4days), Jaby (6days), Kiserai (15d), Mulette (56d)<br/>
		+	Arame: Which leaves Rigel, Laruoleus, and I (and I just missed Rigel by, like, 2 minutes tonight.<br/>
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		+	Arame: Rigel, in case I don't catch you again, any thoughts on DP? Are you interested in running, or passing KM principles, etc? Anything you want to know about?<br/>
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		+	Lauroleus changed his vote for Demi-Pharaoh from Lauroleus to Arame.<br/>
		+	Lauroleus: seems I can change my vote after all, if none of the others show up, you're having my vote for sure, Arame<br/>
		+	Arame: Thanks, Lauroleus. Hopefully we hear from Rigel tonight sometime - I'd like him to have a chance to give his input.<br/>
		+	Lauroleus: absolutely, then I'll just choose between you guys<br/>
		+	Lauroleus: but now at least I'm sure someone will win this round who didn't just join for his Kingmaker test ;)<br/>
		+	Arame: lol<br/>
		+	Lauroleus: good luck, Arame, I'm off to sleep for the night<br/>
		+	Arame: Ok, take care!<br/>
		+	1 day 11 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/>
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		+	CelAmun: hello e1. just back fr vacation. bad timing i guess, lol/<br/>
		+	Arame: Hey, CelAmun!<br/>
		+	CelAmun: oh no! my spouse moved me and i'm stuck! lol<br/>
		+	CelAmun: and hello arame<br/>
		+	Arame: Nothing written in stone yet, just haven't had much participation yet :)<br/>
		+	Arame: LOL<br/>
		+	Arame: Dropped ya on an island somewhere without a ferry?<br/>
		+	CelAmun: lol<br/>
		+	Arame: Running afk a bit here & there - dinner on the grill.<br/>
		+	CelAmun: no just a little too far fr my warehouse, but its nbd. that would have been funny tho<br/>
		+	CelAmun: rgr<br/>
		+	Arame: Anywhere special for vacation, then?<br/>
		+	Arame: (FYI, you can read up on prior chat here @ User:Arame/TempChat, and with your permission, I'll continue the logging)<br/>
		+	Arame: And feel free to add to that when I'm not around ;)<br/>