http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=User_talk%3ANoreferti 2026-07-05T06:39:57Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.35.2 http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72526&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T23:11:11Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:11, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l49" >Line 49:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 49:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 10:14, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 10:14, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: It keeps all related pages together in one location (so, for example, a rename of a page should correctly move all subpages too, and it's easy to find translations of a given page); and the Language template does not need special handling (as you currently have to do). It also means that the top level english index is not polluted with pages in many different languages. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 18:05, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: It keeps all related pages together in one location (so, for example, a rename of a page should correctly move all subpages too, and it's easy to find translations of a given page <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">because they are all grouped together in the index</ins>); and the Language template does not need special handling (as you currently have to do). It also means that the top level english index is not polluted with pages in many different languages<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">: It also means that a page has ''exactly one'' consistent place where it should be, and that place will not collide with any other page. With what you are doing at the moment, you will have a problem whenever the French term for a page is the same as the English term (or the German term, or the Spanish term, or any other language that someone wants to translate in the future) .. in that case, you can't put the page in the desired place and you must put it somewhere else instead. If you always use a subpage of the English page based on language code, then that problem can never happen</ins>. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 18:05, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72522&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T23:05:40Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:05, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l48" >Line 48:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 48:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The advantage of mine is that the french reader will see the french name at the top of the page and not english name/fr but I must admit it isn't really a problem. Also I think it's  a faster method (I don't have to create the french page as it will be automatically created by the redirection).  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The advantage of mine is that the french reader will see the french name at the top of the page and not english name/fr but I must admit it isn't really a problem. Also I think it's  a faster method (I don't have to create the french page as it will be automatically created by the redirection).  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 10:14, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 10:14, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: It keeps all related pages together in one location (so, for example, a rename of a page should correctly move all subpages too, and it's easy to find translations of a given page); and the Language template does not need special handling (as you currently have to do). It also means that the top level english index is not polluted with pages in many different languages. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 18:05, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72224&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T15:14:04Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:14, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l42" >Line 42:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 42:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:You may also want to look at [[Wiki Translation]], which describes the same strategy as I suggested. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 10:07, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:You may also want to look at [[Wiki Translation]], which describes the same strategy as I suggested. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 10:07, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">OK  Now I'm sure I have correctly understood how it works.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but a question : what is the advantage of your method (name =&gt; name/fr then french name =&gt; name/fr) in comparison with mine ( name =&gt; name/fr =&gt; french name) ?</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The advantage of mine is that the french reader will see the french name at the top of the page and not english name/fr but I must admit it isn't really a problem. Also I think it's  a faster method (I don't have to create the french page as it will be automatically created by the redirection). </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--[[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 10:14, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Noreferti http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72222&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T15:07:00Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:07, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l40" >Line 40:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 40:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:There is some more information on redirects at [[Help:Redirects]]. Or if you prefer, I can try to contact you in-game and help you with this.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:There is some more information on redirects at [[Help:Redirects]]. Or if you prefer, I can try to contact you in-game and help you with this.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:--[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:53, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:--[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:53, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:You may also want to look at [[Wiki Translation]], which describes the same strategy as I suggested. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 10:07, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72218&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T14:53:25Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:53, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l29" >Line 29:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 29:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I already created the index pages and the category pages : that works correctly even it's quite empty for the moment.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I already created the index pages and the category pages : that works correctly even it's quite empty for the moment.  </div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thank you for all your advices and the time you spend because of me. I'm not a programmer neither a specialist in computers, just a translator and I try to do by best.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thank you for all your advices and the time you spend because of me. I'm not a programmer neither a specialist in computers, just a translator and I try to do by best.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: What I'm suggesting that you do is:</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* Create Rabbits/fr, containing a French translation of the English [[Rabbits]] page. Now the translated page is conveniently grouped with the original page, and the language bar at the bottom using &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Language}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; works as expected to change between different translated page versions.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* Create Lapin, containing just the text &lt;nowiki&gt;&quot;#REDIRECT [[Rabbits/fr]]&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. Then, if you search for or link to Lapin, you will be automatically redirected to Rabbits/fr.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:A redirection page is just a page containing that &lt;nowiki&gt;#REDIRECT&lt;/nowiki&gt; text.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:The &quot;move&quot; option is essentially a shortcut for doing this:</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* create a new page that is a copy of the old page</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* replace all of the old page text with just a &lt;nowiki&gt;#REDIRECT&lt;/nowiki&gt; option.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:If anyone visits the old page, they are automatically redirected to the new page. But you do not have to use &quot;move&quot; to do this, you can manually do those two steps yourself. Or you can set up your own redirects as you wish.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:There is some more information on redirects at [[Help:Redirects]]. Or if you prefer, I can try to contact you in-game and help you with this.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:--[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:53, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72205&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T14:36:26Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:36, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21" >Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And can I ask you again to consider using subpages of the English pages as the 'official' location of the page, and adding redirects for the French terms to that official page if necessary? It is a much cleaner approach - for example, the Index will actually be useful, and all the pages on a single topic are kept together. So you would create Tent/fr with French content, and create Tente that had only a redirect to Tent/fr.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::And can I ask you again to consider using subpages of the English pages as the 'official' location of the page, and adding redirects for the French terms to that official page if necessary? It is a much cleaner approach - for example, the Index will actually be useful, and all the pages on a single topic are kept together. So you would create Tent/fr with French content, and create Tente that had only a redirect to Tent/fr.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Finally, I don't understand why you need Tente to be deleted before you add new content there. Why don't you just edit the existing page right now? --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:03, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Finally, I don't understand why you need Tente to be deleted before you add new content there. Why don't you just edit the existing page right now? --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:03, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Apparently, there is something I don't understand. I have understood that I must create the french page first as name/fr and translate it. eg : rabbit to rabbit/fr but obviously french people won't use rabbit/fr but lapin. That is why when the translation is done with rabbit/fr, I move the page (redirect) to the french name : lapin.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If by mistake, the page lapin has already been created, I can't redirect the /fr page to the french page.  I just receive a message as the french page already exists. That is why I erase all in this page and write : to be deleted.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Do you mean I should work the contrary : create the french page (lapin) and redirect it to rabbit/fr ?? What text will I get then ?  As I know a redirected page just contains the message has it has been moved but not the french text.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I already created the index pages and the category pages : that works correctly even it's quite empty for the moment. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thank you for all your advices and the time you spend because of me. I'm not a programmer neither a specialist in computers, just a translator and I try to do by best.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Noreferti http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72189&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T14:08:26Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:08, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l18" >Line 18:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It's not [[tent]] but tentE with an E wich need to be deleted. Then I'll be able to redirect tent/fr to tente. I'm sorry to give you some trouble but we are now 2 or 3 translators working on the french version. I try to explain to the others how to process but they surely will make some mistakes so some pages to delete. Kaayru made some changes in game as well (about box and chest) and I had to modify the pages about them -- [[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 08:46, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:It's not [[tent]] but tentE with an E wich need to be deleted. Then I'll be able to redirect tent/fr to tente. I'm sorry to give you some trouble but we are now 2 or 3 translators working on the french version. I try to explain to the others how to process but they surely will make some mistakes so some pages to delete. Kaayru made some changes in game as well (about box and chest) and I had to modify the pages about them -- [[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 08:46, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I saw that you deleted [[Tente]] with an E. But you ''also'' deleted the English version [[Tent]]! That is what I fixed. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:03, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I saw that you deleted [[Tente]] with an E. But you ''also'' deleted the English version [[Tent]]! That is what I fixed.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">::And can I ask you again to consider using subpages of the English pages as the 'official' location of the page, and adding redirects for the French terms to that official page if necessary? It is a much cleaner approach - for example, the Index will actually be useful, and all the pages on a single topic are kept together. So you would create Tent/fr with French content, and create Tente that had only a redirect to Tent/fr.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">::Finally, I don't understand why you need Tente to be deleted before you add new content there. Why don't you just edit the existing page right now? </ins>--[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:03, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72188&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T14:03:25Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:03, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l16" >Line 16:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 16:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You deleted [[Tent]]. I'm assuming that was accidental and I've reverted the delete. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 05:35, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You deleted [[Tent]]. I'm assuming that was accidental and I've reverted the delete. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 05:35, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It's not [[tent]] but tentE with an E wich need to be deleted. Then I'll be able to redirect tent/fr to tente. I'm sorry to give you some trouble but we are now 2 or 3 translators working on the french version. I try to explain to the others how to process but they surely will make some mistakes so some pages to delete. Kaayru made some changes in game as well (about box and chest) and I had to modify the pages about them -- [[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 08:46, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:</ins>It's not [[tent]] but tentE with an E wich need to be deleted. Then I'll be able to redirect tent/fr to tente. I'm sorry to give you some trouble but we are now 2 or 3 translators working on the french version. I try to explain to the others how to process but they surely will make some mistakes so some pages to delete. Kaayru made some changes in game as well (about box and chest) and I had to modify the pages about them -- [[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 08:46<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">::I saw that you deleted [[Tente]] with an E. But you ''also'' deleted the English version [[Tent]]! That is what I fixed. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 09:03</ins>, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72184&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T13:46:05Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:46, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l15" >Line 15:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You deleted [[Tent]]. I'm assuming that was accidental and I've reverted the delete. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 05:35, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You deleted [[Tent]]. I'm assuming that was accidental and I've reverted the delete. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 05:35, 27 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's not [[tent]] but tentE with an E wich need to be deleted. Then I'll be able to redirect tent/fr to tente. I'm sorry to give you some trouble but we are now 2 or 3 translators working on the french version. I try to explain to the others how to process but they surely will make some mistakes so some pages to delete. Kaayru made some changes in game as well (about box and chest) and I had to modify the pages about them -- [[User:Noreferti|Noreferti]] 08:46, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Noreferti http://www.atitd.org/wiki/t4w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noreferti&diff=72159&oldid=prev 2009-03-27T10:35:49Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:35, 27 March 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13" >Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: What do you think about not creating the pages named using French words (e.g. Lapin) and keeping the page as Rabbits/fr? Or perhaps you could create Lapin as a redirect to Rabbits/fr, rather than the other way around? That would keep the related pages together better.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: What do you think about not creating the pages named using French words (e.g. Lapin) and keeping the page as Rabbits/fr? Or perhaps you could create Lapin as a redirect to Rabbits/fr, rather than the other way around? That would keep the related pages together better.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 17:01, 17 March 2009 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 17:01, 17 March 2009 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You deleted [[Tent]]. I'm assuming that was accidental and I've reverted the delete. --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 05:35, 27 March 2009 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Inkoaten