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Serpentine: /* Stats */

2011-03-04T20:34:21Z

Stats

Tefnut: /* Resources */

2010-12-22T07:34:16Z

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Tefnut: /* Resources */

2010-12-22T07:25:23Z

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Reyzer: /* Anything Else? */

2010-09-25T01:47:57Z

Anything Else?

Arame: /* Anything Else? */

2010-09-21T20:25:40Z

Anything Else?

Arame: /* A note on stat recipes & additive quantities (advanced) */

2010-09-21T20:25:01Z

A note on stat recipes & additive quantities (advanced)

Dachannien: /* Resources */

2010-09-11T01:50:16Z

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Thutamun: /* Resources */

2010-09-09T12:34:58Z

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Thutamun: /* Resources */

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Thutamun: /* Resources */

2010-09-09T10:37:04Z

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 == Stats ==
-Probably the main purpose of cooking is to increase your stats, to make some task easier - Endurance for flax processing or digging, Constitution for smoking the hookah, Perception & Focus for dowsing, or Strength & Dexterity for carrying are but a few examples.  Masterpieces, while great for gastronomy points, tend to have lousy stats (my guild laughs at my MPs, because they all have huge negative stats).  In order to really get good stats, we're going to go back to our tools and look at another piece - the +/- data.  I'd strongly suggest dachennian's database (again, available from the Recipes page) for this, but if you're more comfortable with other formats, that's fine.  You can also find these for herbs on the [[Foraging|foraging]] page.<br /><br />
+Probably the main purpose of cooking is to increase your stats, to make some task easier - Endurance for flax processing or digging, Constitution for smoking the hookah, Perception & Focus for dowsing, or Strength & Dexterity for carrying are but a few examples.  Masterpieces, while great for gastronomy points, tend to have lousy stats (my guild laughs at my MPs, because they all have huge negative stats).  In order to really get good stats, we're going to go back to our tools and look at another piece - the +/- data.  I'd strongly suggest dachennian's database (again, available from the [[Recipes|Recipes]] page) for this, but if you're more comfortable with other formats, that's fine.  You can also find these for herbs on the [[Foraging|foraging]] page.<br /><br />
 I consider stat recipes to have two components:  Power and Duration.  A good recipe should have a high stat value (power), but it should also last long enough to be useful (duration).  A +25 END recipe isn't much good if it only lasts 6 seconds.  So, when designing a recipe, I want pieces of both.  <br /><br />
 The first thing to do for a stat recipe is to decide what stats you want to increase, which ones you don't want to decrease, and which you don't care about.  For example, I want to stir concrete, so I want a high STR and a high END, but I don't want my DEX to drop, because I have to walk across my camp to the stirring vat.  PER, CON, and FOC, I don't care about.  Dach's database allows you to plug that in, but however you choose to get that info, go grab *all* the additives that meet those criteria.  Filter out the ones that you don't have in stock or don't want to use.  Now, we go back to our (x,y) graph.<br /><br />

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 *[[User:Arame/Cooking|Arame Cooking Data]] - a bunch of my stuff, including some very cluttered graphs for those who prefer a few pictures to a bunch of words.  If you don't mind downloading the appropriate shareware, I use the GeoGebra tool to change the color of the additives I'm looking at, so I can easily find clumps & such.  There's also a spreadsheet with a good number of 6:1 pairings (I use the AutoFilter feature to find stat modifiers, but it's only partial data).
 *[http://3trends.com/tefnut  Updated Coordinates] Arame's Cooking Coordinate Grid with the most recent addtitions - Last updated 12/21/10
 *[[User:Somebob/Cooking|Cooking data]] - Somebob's 6:1 pairing tests.
 *[[Guilds/LaCruzDelSur/Datos_de_cocina|Overview of cooking data]] - Bored of having tons of pages opened I put all in the same.
 *[[user:thutamun/cooking | Thutamuns kleine Köstlichkeiten / Thutamuns little snacks]]

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 *[http://www.dachannien.org/atitd/ Dachannien's Cooking Database] - Updated for T5.  Tool for finding stat modifiers and distances, including a recipe auditor to make sure your pairs are what you expect. <br />
 *[[User:Arame/Cooking|Arame Cooking Data]] - a bunch of my stuff, including some very cluttered graphs for those who prefer a few pictures to a bunch of words.  If you don't mind downloading the appropriate shareware, I use the GeoGebra tool to change the color of the additives I'm looking at, so I can easily find clumps & such.  There's also a spreadsheet with a good number of 6:1 pairings (I use the AutoFilter feature to find stat modifiers, but it's only partial data).
 *[[User:Somebob/Cooking|Cooking data]] - Somebob's 6:1 pairing tests.
 *[[Guilds/LaCruzDelSur/Datos_de_cocina|Overview of cooking data]] - Bored of having tons of pages opened I put all in the same.
 *[[user:thutamun/cooking | Thutamuns kleine Köstlichkeiten / Thutamuns little snacks]]

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 * Record everything you do.  Even recipes you may consider abject failures can give researchers like me more data to work with.  Put them on the recipe page.  Ideally, I'd love to have every potential 6:1 combination recorded, so don't think that your recipes aren't worth posting on the Recipe page.
 * Salt!  Salt is an ingredient like any other, so it can be an additive or a base, and impacts the recipe normally.  However, salt also extends the time that a recipe will stay fresh from 2 days to 4 days.  After that time, the recipe spoils and is  unuseable.
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 Have fun cooking!  There's a bit of number-crunching involved in this, but a lot of the work's been done for you.

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 * The more of an additive you use, the higher the relative potency or "additive potency" of that ingredient, and the more it should boost your stats.  A 6:1 base-additive pair will generally have lower stats than a 4:3.  Bear that in mind when you start to make larger servings - you'll take a small hit to stats (and duration) mixing 23:1 recipes.  If you're really trying to max stats, mix 2:1 ratios (if you can afford the herbs).
 * This tale, we have seen issues where the base "overrides" the additive when two ingredients get very close together.  There seems to be a different threshold distance for this for different ingredients, and it's still under investigation (it may be related to the additive potency I just mentioned).  You '''may''' want to keep your duration pairs a little further apart to be safe.  To be safest, test the duration pairs and the power pairs ahead of time by cooking them individually (again, this can be costly if you're using rare herbs).
 * Record everything you do.  Even recipes you may consider abject failures can give researchers like me more data to work with.  Put them on the recipe page.  Ideally, I'd love to have every potential 6:1 combination recorded, so don't think that your recipes aren't worth posting on the Recipe page.
 * Salt!  Salt is an ingredient like any other, so it can be an additive or a base, and impacts the recipe normally.  However, salt also extends the time that a recipe will stay fresh from 2 days to 4 days.  After that time, the recipe spoils and is  unuseable.

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	In T3, there was some discussion about adding multiple quantities of an additive being wasteful. Because of the way that additives & bases interact (with bases overriding the interaction) in T4, I would argue that the additive quantity is very important now. When I'm crafting a very strong recipe, I test each base:additive pairing against multiple additive quantities to determine the best reaction. That means that for my very, very good recipes, I end up with Base(6):Add1(3):Add2(1):Add3(5); Base2(6):Add4(1):Add5(3) combinations, etc. It also means that crafting a very strong stat recipe consumes a much larger amount of additives. To that end, I do keep some of my recipes private because of the relative cost. I use several hundred herb additives to craft a 20+ stat recipe. This also means that moving from a 6-quantity base to a 9-quantity base involves re-crafting the recipe entirely (you can make educated guesses about the multiplier, but nothing guaranteed).		In T3, there was some discussion about adding multiple quantities of an additive being wasteful. Because of the way that additives & bases interact (with bases overriding the interaction) in T4, I would argue that the additive quantity is very important now. When I'm crafting a very strong recipe, I test each base:additive pairing against multiple additive quantities to determine the best reaction. That means that for my very, very good recipes, I end up with Base(6):Add1(3):Add2(1):Add3(5); Base2(6):Add4(1):Add5(3) combinations, etc. It also means that crafting a very strong stat recipe consumes a much larger amount of additives. To that end, I do keep some of my recipes private because of the relative cost. I use several hundred herb additives to craft a 20+ stat recipe. This also means that moving from a 6-quantity base to a 9-quantity base involves re-crafting the recipe entirely (you can make educated guesses about the multiplier, but nothing guaranteed).
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−	~~Also note that multiple additives don't simply 'stack'. I've had a 5:1:1 recipe where each pairing gave +1 speed end up giving -1 speed. - Orrin~~

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	*[[User:Somebob/Cooking\|Cooking data]] - Somebob's 6:1 pairing tests.		*[[User:Somebob/Cooking\|Cooking data]] - Somebob's 6:1 pairing tests.
	*[[Guilds/LaCruzDelSur/Datos_de_cocina\|Overview of cooking data]] - Bored of having tons of pages opened I put all in the same.		*[[Guilds/LaCruzDelSur/Datos_de_cocina\|Overview of cooking data]] - Bored of having tons of pages opened I put all in the same.
		+	*[[user:thutamun/cooking \| Thutamuns kleine Köstlichkeiten / Thutamuns little snacks]]