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Glyn: /* How to Predict a Recipe */

2011-03-21T01:47:24Z

How to Predict a Recipe

BlueGrass: /* How to Predict a Recipe */

2011-01-15T17:25:56Z

How to Predict a Recipe

BlueGrass: /* ThistleTool */

2011-01-15T17:22:56Z

ThistleTool

BlueGrass: /* ThistleTool */

2011-01-15T15:42:11Z

ThistleTool

BlueGrass: /* ThistleTool */

2011-01-15T15:37:40Z

ThistleTool

BlueGrass: /* Strategies */

2011-01-15T15:07:09Z

Strategies

Cegaiel: /* Conversions */

2010-12-22T02:19:56Z

Conversions

Cegaiel: /* Conversions */

2010-12-11T07:13:35Z

Conversions

Tamutnefret at 03:44, 30 October 2010

2010-10-30T03:44:31Z

Tamutnefret: /* Conversions table */

2010-10-30T03:43:21Z

Conversions table

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 === How to Predict a Recipe ===
-First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here
+First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here <Where's "here?" Someone forgot the link>
 Finding out the voids

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 In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.
-* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values. One possible way of doing the test run efficiently at 0 Sun can be found here.
+* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values.
 * b) Open the thistle simulator. You'll need to tell it when you added, and how much. For this there are 2 options.
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 * e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
 * f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the Weekly voids.
 === Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe ===

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 * Tell it your thistle requirements and let it calculate the optimal recipe
-How to Predict a Recipe
+=== How to Predict a Recipe ===
 First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here
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 * e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
-* f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the daily voids. Posting them here would help us gathering enough data to try predicting the daily voids and skip the tedious test run process.
+* f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the Weekly voids.
-Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe
+=== Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe ===
 * 1) Open your thistle tool. There are lots of sheets but the first sheet (master sheet) is all you really need for predicting. There is a column of green cells labeled "Daily Voids" on the right side. This is the first place for your input. The value is "1" for active conversions and "0" for inactive ones. Change the value for all conversions inactive this day to "0". IMPORTANT! Which conversions are inactive changes ALWAYS at 00.00 Egypt time!

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 In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.
-    * a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values. One possible way of doing the test run efficiently at 0 Sun can be found here.
+* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values. One possible way of doing the test run efficiently at 0 Sun can be found here.
-    * b) Open the thistle simulator. You'll need to tell it when you added, and how much. For this there are 2 options.
+* b) Open the thistle simulator. You'll need to tell it when you added, and how much. For this there are 2 options.
-          o If you can tell from your screenshot how many times you clicked on the add button (each time 20 gets added to the amount in the garden), then use the grey-colored table on the Master sheet for doing so.
+* If you can tell from your screenshot how many times you clicked on the add button (each time 20 gets added to the amount in the garden), then use the grey-colored table on the Master sheet for doing so.
-          o If you are unable to tell how much of something you added from the numbers on your screenshots, you could alternatively input the number from your screenshot to the correct cell on AltIn sheet. If you do so it will override the data (or lack of it) on Master sheet and you can proceed with inputting.
+* If you are unable to tell how much of something you added from the numbers on your screenshots, you could alternatively input the number from your screenshot to the correct cell on AltIn sheet. If you do so it will override the data (or lack of it) on Master sheet and you can proceed with inputting.
-    * c) Compare the yellow area of the Master sheet to your screenshots. Start from the first row and move on from there. When you see a row being different in the tool from what it was in the garden, you know there was something voided at this point.
+* c) Compare the yellow area of the Master sheet to your screenshots. Start from the first row and move on from there. When you see a row being different in the tool from what it was in the garden, you know there was something voided at this point.
-    * d) Check the tick number of the row you found interesting and find the corresponding column in the sheet Active.
+* d) Check the tick number of the row you found interesting and find the corresponding column in the sheet Active.
-    * e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
+* e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
-    * f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the daily voids. Posting them here would help us gathering enough data to try predicting the daily voids and skip the tedious test run process.
+* f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the daily voids. Posting them here would help us gathering enough data to try predicting the daily voids and skip the tedious test run process.
 Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe
-    * 1) Open your thistle tool. There are lots of sheets but the first sheet (master sheet) is all you really need for predicting. There is a column of green cells labeled "Daily Voids" on the right side. This is the first place for your input. The value is "1" for active conversions and "0" for inactive ones. Change the value for all conversions inactive this day to "0". IMPORTANT! Which conversions are inactive changes ALWAYS at 00.00 Egypt time!
+* 1) Open your thistle tool. There are lots of sheets but the first sheet (master sheet) is all you really need for predicting. There is a column of green cells labeled "Daily Voids" on the right side. This is the first place for your input. The value is "1" for active conversions and "0" for inactive ones. Change the value for all conversions inactive this day to "0". IMPORTANT! Which conversions are inactive changes ALWAYS at 00.00 Egypt time!
-    * 2) On the left side of the Master sheet you'll see a table of grey cells. This is where you input things. 4 first columns, Nit, Pot, H2O and Oxy are for adding them. Just type how many times you plan to click on the "add" button in your garden in the appropriate cells.
+* 2) On the left side of the Master sheet you'll see a table of grey cells. This is where you input things. 4 first columns, Nit, Pot, H2O and Oxy are for adding them. Just type how many times you plan to click on the "add" button in your garden in the appropriate cells.
-    * 3) The Sun column of the grey table works a bit differently. You'll have to input anything only on the first tick, and whenever you change your sun value. For an example, you might want to start at 99 Sun so you type "99" in the first cell. Let's say at the 10th tick you want to close your garden lid so you'll type "33" there.
+* 3) The Sun column of the grey table works a bit differently. You'll have to input anything only on the first tick, and whenever you change your sun value. For an example, you might want to start at 99 Sun so you type "99" in the first cell. Let's say at the 10th tick you want to close your garden lid so you'll type "33" there.
-    * 4) The yellow tables are for keeping track of what the garden is showing you. The tool will also tell you what kind of thistle you'll get and how much it will cost you. Try to aim for thistles that use less saltpeter, that's the most expensive of the nutrients. Occasionally it might be even possible to make the thistles you want without adding any dung or saltpeter (Nit and Pot). You can read more about optimizing the cost here.
+* 4) The yellow tables are for keeping track of what the garden is showing you. The tool will also tell you what kind of thistle you'll get and how much it will cost you. Try to aim for thistles that use less saltpeter, that's the most expensive of the nutrients. Occasionally it might be even possible to make the thistles you want without adding any dung or saltpeter (Nit and Pot). You can read more about optimizing the cost here.

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 First step is to download the tool itself.
+[[File:ThistleSim4.xls.zip]]
 What you CAN do with it
 * Finding out the daily voids - you can compare the results of the tool and the garden in order to find out which conversions are inactive on the given day. This is mostly needed for correctly simulating the garden.
-    * Finding out the daily voids - you can compare the results of the tool and the garden in order to find out which conversions are inactive on the given day. This is mostly needed for correctly simulating the garden.
+* Simulating the thistle garden - you can input things and see what happens without actually using up any of the precious resources. Helpful in developing recipes.
 What you CANNOT do with it
 * Develop recipes for the time when the sun is constantly changing
-    * Develop recipes for the time when the sun is constantly changing
+* Tell it your thistle requirements and let it calculate the optimal recipe
 How to Predict a Recipe

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	== Strategies ==		== Strategies ==
	<to be completed>		<to be completed>
		+
		+	== ThistleTool ==
		+
		+	Thistle Design Spreadsheet
		+
		+	First step is to download the tool itself.
		+
		+
		+
		+
		+
		+	What you CAN do with it
		+
		+	* Finding out the daily voids - you can compare the results of the tool and the garden in order to find out which conversions are inactive on the given day. This is mostly needed for correctly simulating the garden.
		+	* Simulating the thistle garden - you can input things and see what happens without actually using up any of the precious resources. Helpful in developing recipes.
		+
		+	What you CANNOT do with it
		+
		+	* Develop recipes for the time when the sun is constantly changing
		+	* Tell it your thistle requirements and let it calculate the optimal recipe
		+
		+	How to Predict a Recipe
		+
		+	First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here
		+
		+	Finding out the voids
		+
		+	In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.
		+
		+	* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values. One possible way of doing the test run efficiently at 0 Sun can be found here.
		+
		+	* b) Open the thistle simulator. You'll need to tell it when you added, and how much. For this there are 2 options.
		+	o If you can tell from your screenshot how many times you clicked on the add button (each time 20 gets added to the amount in the garden), then use the grey-colored table on the Master sheet for doing so.
		+	o If you are unable to tell how much of something you added from the numbers on your screenshots, you could alternatively input the number from your screenshot to the correct cell on AltIn sheet. If you do so it will override the data (or lack of it) on Master sheet and you can proceed with inputting.
		+
		+	* c) Compare the yellow area of the Master sheet to your screenshots. Start from the first row and move on from there. When you see a row being different in the tool from what it was in the garden, you know there was something voided at this point.
		+
		+	* d) Check the tick number of the row you found interesting and find the corresponding column in the sheet Active.
		+
		+	* e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
		+
		+	* f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the daily voids. Posting them here would help us gathering enough data to try predicting the daily voids and skip the tedious test run process.
		+
		+	Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe
		+
		+	* 1) Open your thistle tool. There are lots of sheets but the first sheet (master sheet) is all you really need for predicting. There is a column of green cells labeled "Daily Voids" on the right side. This is the first place for your input. The value is "1" for active conversions and "0" for inactive ones. Change the value for all conversions inactive this day to "0". IMPORTANT! Which conversions are inactive changes ALWAYS at 00.00 Egypt time!
		+
		+	* 2) On the left side of the Master sheet you'll see a table of grey cells. This is where you input things. 4 first columns, Nit, Pot, H2O and Oxy are for adding them. Just type how many times you plan to click on the "add" button in your garden in the appropriate cells.
		+
		+	* 3) The Sun column of the grey table works a bit differently. You'll have to input anything only on the first tick, and whenever you change your sun value. For an example, you might want to start at 99 Sun so you type "99" in the first cell. Let's say at the 10th tick you want to close your garden lid so you'll type "33" there.
		+
		+	* 4) The yellow tables are for keeping track of what the garden is showing you. The tool will also tell you what kind of thistle you'll get and how much it will cost you. Try to aim for thistles that use less saltpeter, that's the most expensive of the nutrients. Occasionally it might be even possible to make the thistles you want without adding any dung or saltpeter (Nit and Pot). You can read more about optimizing the cost here.

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 === Conversions ===
-There are 21 possible conversions of which some (usually 1-5) are inactive for a game week. The inactive ones are typically called "voids", and change at the same time as the fresh leaves. There are 3 conversions for producing each of the 7 vitamins; depending on levels of each of water, oxygen, or sunlight.
+There are 21 possible conversions of which some (usually 1-5) are inactive for a game week. The inactive ones are typically called "voids", and change at the same time as the fresh leaves. Calendar for the leaf and thistle voids change and the current week number: [http://sharpnetwork.net/atitd/calendar.asp http://sharpnetwork.net/atitd/calendar.asp]
 All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.

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 All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.
-If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm.
+If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 4:39pm to 8:09am).
 ==== Conversions table ====

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 ===== Graphical form =====
-[[Image:Thistle-conversions.svg|left|500px|Thistle Conversions]]
+[[Image:Thistle-conversions.svg|500px|Thistle Conversions]]
 == Strategies ==
 <to be completed>