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Dreasimy: /* Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate */

2012-07-16T19:43:07Z

Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate

Dreasimy: /* The Wikified Debate Log */

2012-04-18T19:14:15Z

The Wikified Debate Log

Dreasimy at 18:51, 18 April 2012

2012-04-18T18:51:45Z

Dreasimy at 00:43, 16 April 2012

2012-04-16T00:43:50Z

Dreasimy at 00:43, 16 April 2012

2012-04-16T00:43:30Z

Dreasimy: /* Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate */

2012-04-16T00:38:03Z

Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate

Dreasimy at 07:22, 22 February 2012

2012-02-22T07:22:09Z

Dreasimy at 07:21, 22 February 2012

2012-02-22T07:21:22Z

Dreasimy at 07:19, 22 February 2012

2012-02-22T07:19:37Z

Dreasimy at 07:16, 22 February 2012

2012-02-22T07:16:48Z

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 These are some thoughts, it is a work in progress.
-Step 1 - Become a mod for the mics
+Step 1 - Become a mod for the mics (currently debates are being held on Worship Station, to join the Worship Station Mic guild just go to Seven Lakes, 1385, -950. The guild is set to auto accept members and the mic is set to be used by initiate. The mic is near the guildhall.)
 Step 2 - Offer to be a debate moderator so you can be added to the victim list
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 * statements to the candidates
 * anything else you don't want to type more than once
-Step 4 - Open chats with all the candidates and get them to tell you when they CAN and CANNOT do a debate with their timezones ASAP!
+Step 4 - Open chats with all the candidates and get them to tell you when they CAN and CANNOT do a debate with their timezones ASAP! The deliberations for setting up a time takes several back and forths, the longer you wait to start this process the more likely it is you will run out of time to schedule a debate before the election votes have all been cast.
 Step 5 - Pick a time and run with it even if not everyone can be there because rarely can everyone be there, you might as well just get it over with. If a candidate can't make it. Do a separate 'debate' with them if you can. If not encourage them or help them to make a wiki page version of their answers.
-Step 6 - Not everyone voter can make every debate as a listener, part of making up for  this is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)
+Step 6 - Not every voter can make every debate as a listener, part of making up for this is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)
 Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel ''each and every'' time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do, so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones early so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.

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	3) Manually go through and delete the Date and time stamp from each post and enter a hard return after each post entry (in other words, each time you hit the 'Post' button on the microphone) so it formats correctly on the wiki		3) Manually go through and delete the Date and time stamp from each post and enter a hard return after each post entry (in other words, each time you hit the 'Post' button on the microphone) so it formats correctly on the wiki

−	4)Do a separate Find/Replace on each candidate's name followed by a colon, replacing it with their name followed by a colon but surrounded by the bold face type wiki formatting code, i.e. <b>Dreasimy:</b>	+	4)Do a separate Find/Replace on each candidate's name followed by a colon, replacing it with their name followed by a colon but surrounded by the bold face type wiki formatting code, i.e. <pre><b>Dreasimy:</b></pre>

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	*Anonymous Questions - Pros and Cons: I (Dreasimy) have allowed anonymous questions while I have modded but not everyone agrees that it is the right way to go. My feelings on it are that A) questions should be valid regardless who asks them and the mod is there to keep invalid questions themselves from being asked. B) sometimes you can get a more honest answer from a candidate when they don't know who is asking a question, in theory. C) some people may have very valid questions to ask but also have very valid fears of retaliation if they publically ask them. The cons are that it ends up having the same problems with communication as you get with a game of telephone. I get asked the question and I relay the question but since I often can't get live feedback from the questioner once the candidate has answered, I am unqualified to interpret the answer and follow up or not, on the questioner's behalf. I've tried this and it's harder than it looks. ;) So use anonymous questions or not at your discretion :D		*Anonymous Questions - Pros and Cons: I (Dreasimy) have allowed anonymous questions while I have modded but not everyone agrees that it is the right way to go. My feelings on it are that A) questions should be valid regardless who asks them and the mod is there to keep invalid questions themselves from being asked. B) sometimes you can get a more honest answer from a candidate when they don't know who is asking a question, in theory. C) some people may have very valid questions to ask but also have very valid fears of retaliation if they publically ask them. The cons are that it ends up having the same problems with communication as you get with a game of telephone. I get asked the question and I relay the question but since I often can't get live feedback from the questioner once the candidate has answered, I am unqualified to interpret the answer and follow up or not, on the questioner's behalf. I've tried this and it's harder than it looks. ;) So use anonymous questions or not at your discretion :D
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		+	=The Wikified Debate Log=
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		+	1) Find the debate in the log (sort by ascending) and copy it all
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		+	2) Open Word (or whatever word processing program you use) and paste special as unformatted text
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		+	3) Manually go through and delete the Date and time stamp from each post and enter a hard return after each post entry (in other words, each time you hit the 'Post' button on the microphone) so it formats correctly on the wiki
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		+	4)Do a separate Find/Replace on each candidate's name followed by a colon, replacing it with their name followed by a colon but surrounded by the bold face type wiki formatting code, i.e. <b>Dreasimy:</b>

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	By changing the question in this way, making it more factual and less judgemental, it heads off turning the debate into a debate about whether or not so-and-so is a griefer and back into the direction of what we are really after with the question; whether or not someone would have access to that candidate's password if they were DP.		By changing the question in this way, making it more factual and less judgemental, it heads off turning the debate into a debate about whether or not so-and-so is a griefer and back into the direction of what we are really after with the question; whether or not someone would have access to that candidate's password if they were DP.

−	*Anonymous Questions - Pros and Cons: I (Dreasimy) have allowed anonymous questions while I have modded but not everyone agrees that it is the right way to go. My feelings on it are that A) questions should be valid regardless who asks them and the mod is there to keep invalid questions themselves from being asked. B) sometimes you can get a more honest answer from a candidate when they don't know who is asking a question, in theory. C) some people may have very valid questions to ask but also have very valid fears of retaliation if they publically ask them. The cons are that it ends up having the same problems with communication as you get with a game of telephone. I get asked the question and I relay the question but since I often can't get live feedback from the questioner once the candidate has answered, I am unqualified to interpret the answer and follow up or not, on the questioner's behalf. I've tried this and it's harder than it looks. ;)	+	*Anonymous Questions - Pros and Cons: I (Dreasimy) have allowed anonymous questions while I have modded but not everyone agrees that it is the right way to go. My feelings on it are that A) questions should be valid regardless who asks them and the mod is there to keep invalid questions themselves from being asked. B) sometimes you can get a more honest answer from a candidate when they don't know who is asking a question, in theory. C) some people may have very valid questions to ask but also have very valid fears of retaliation if they publically ask them. The cons are that it ends up having the same problems with communication as you get with a game of telephone. I get asked the question and I relay the question but since I often can't get live feedback from the questioner once the candidate has answered, I am unqualified to interpret the answer and follow up or not, on the questioner's behalf. I've tried this and it's harder than it looks. ;) So use anonymous questions or not at your discretion :D

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	By changing the question in this way, making it more factual and less judgemental, it heads off turning the debate into a debate about whether or not so-and-so is a griefer and back into the direction of what we are really after with the question; whether or not someone would have access to that candidate's password if they were DP.		By changing the question in this way, making it more factual and less judgemental, it heads off turning the debate into a debate about whether or not so-and-so is a griefer and back into the direction of what we are really after with the question; whether or not someone would have access to that candidate's password if they were DP.
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		+	*Anonymous Questions - Pros and Cons: I (Dreasimy) have allowed anonymous questions while I have modded but not everyone agrees that it is the right way to go. My feelings on it are that A) questions should be valid regardless who asks them and the mod is there to keep invalid questions themselves from being asked. B) sometimes you can get a more honest answer from a candidate when they don't know who is asking a question, in theory. C) some people may have very valid questions to ask but also have very valid fears of retaliation if they publically ask them. The cons are that it ends up having the same problems with communication as you get with a game of telephone. I get asked the question and I relay the question but since I often can't get live feedback from the questioner once the candidate has answered, I am unqualified to interpret the answer and follow up or not, on the questioner's behalf. I've tried this and it's harder than it looks. ;)

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 Step 2 - Offer to be a debate moderator so you can be added to the victim list
-Step 3 - Come up with a boiler plate document with questions suitable for every debate, questions suitable for this specific debate, responses for people who submit comments instead of questions, responses for people who submit personal attacks instead of questions, opening statements, closing statements, statements to the candidates, anything else you don't want to type more than once.
+Step 3 - Come up with a boiler plate document with:
-Step 4 - Open chats with all the candidates and get them to tell you when they CAN and CANNOT do a debate with timezones ASAP!
+Step 4 - Open chats with all the candidates and get them to tell you when they CAN and CANNOT do a debate with their timezones ASAP!
-Step 5 - Pick a time and run with it even if not everyone can be there because rarely can everyone be there, you might as well just get it over with. If a candidate can't make it. Do separate 'debate' with them if you can. If not encourage them or help them to make a wiki page version of their answers.
+Step 5 - Pick a time and run with it even if not everyone can be there because rarely can everyone be there, you might as well just get it over with. If a candidate can't make it. Do a separate 'debate' with them if you can. If not encourage them or help them to make a wiki page version of their answers.
-Step 6 - Not everyone can make every debate, part of making up for it is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)
+Step 6 - Not everyone voter can make every debate as a listener, part of making up for  this is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)
-Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel Each and Every time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.
+Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel ''each and every'' time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do, so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones early so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.
-Step 8 - Use that chat you have with the candidates to hear from them when they are 'done' answering a question during a debate. If you want to, you can use it to let them know what question is on deck so they can be ready to attack it and thus have less dead air.
+Step 8 - Use that chat you have with the candidates (now there is a guild: It's Debateable at MV 904, 4916 specifically for easing communication between candidates and debate moderators) to hear from them when they are 'done' answering a question during a debate. If you want to, you can use it to let them know what question is on deck so they can be ready to attack it and thus have less dead air.

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−	Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate	+	=Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate=
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		+	These are some thoughts, it is a work in progress.

	Step 1 - Become a mod for the mics		Step 1 - Become a mod for the mics

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	Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel Each and Every time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.		Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel Each and Every time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.
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		+	Step 8 - Use that chat you have with the candidates to hear from them when they are 'done' answering a question during a debate. If you want to, you can use it to let them know what question is on deck so they can be ready to attack it and thus have less dead air.

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	Step 6 - Not everyone can make every debate, part of making up for it is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)		Step 6 - Not everyone can make every debate, part of making up for it is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)
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		+	Step 7 - Some questions are completely 'fair' to give candidates ahead of time to let them have some well thought out answers. This also gives the debate some speed where you will need it. We really don't need to reinvent the wheel Each and Every time on 'what is the role of DP' live on the air. But some other questions we do so let's have them sweat it out on those questions and float them the good old fashioned ones so everyone can be on the same level playing field with some 'prepared' answers.

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	Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate		Dreasimy's Guide to Running a Tolerable DP Debate
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		+	Step 1 - Become a mod for the mics
		+
		+	Step 2 - Offer to be a debate moderator so you can be added to the victim list
		+
		+	Step 3 - Come up with a boiler plate document with questions suitable for every debate, questions suitable for this specific debate, responses for people who submit comments instead of questions, responses for people who submit personal attacks instead of questions, opening statements, closing statements, statements to the candidates, anything else you don't want to type more than once.
		+
		+	Step 4 - Open chats with all the candidates and get them to tell you when they CAN and CANNOT do a debate with timezones ASAP!
		+
		+	Step 5 - Pick a time and run with it even if not everyone can be there because rarely can everyone be there, you might as well just get it over with. If a candidate can't make it. Do separate 'debate' with them if you can. If not encourage them or help them to make a wiki page version of their answers.
		+
		+	Step 6 - Not everyone can make every debate, part of making up for it is giving people lots of chances to give you questions ahead of time and reassuring them they will get an easily accessible log soon after the debate (not like, after the election is over.)