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	[[Thistles]] are arguably one of the most complex plants one can cultivate in Egypt. However, once the would be thistle farmer has understood the mechanism behind how they work, they are no harder than any of the other advanced skills in the game. And since they can be [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Jimbly/AutomaticThistles macroed], they are probably even less so. This wiki page here is the first part of a guide aiming to cover all aspects of [[thistles]] - both the theoretical base and the know-how for putting this knowledge to practical use. In the current session we will		[[Thistles]] are arguably one of the most complex plants one can cultivate in Egypt. However, once the would be thistle farmer has understood the mechanism behind how they work, they are no harder than any of the other advanced skills in the game. And since they can be [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Jimbly/AutomaticThistles macroed], they are probably even less so. This wiki page here is the first part of a guide aiming to cover all aspects of [[thistles]] - both the theoretical base and the know-how for putting this knowledge to practical use. In the current session we will
	* Read through the small text on the label your garden came with (all Thistle Gardens in game have an option to read this, so if you have already done so, you can skip this part).		* Read through the small text on the label your garden came with (all Thistle Gardens in game have an option to read this, so if you have already done so, you can skip this part).

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 *Plant a seed again, click some buttons, and see the numbers progress differently than before.
 *Practice growing the thistles to make yourself comfortable with the garden.
-*Visit '''Cegaiel's Thistle Calendar''' at http://sharpnetwork.net/sharpnetwork/atitd/calendar.asp
+*Visit '''Cegaiel's Thistle Calendar''' at http://atitd.sharpnetwork.net/calendar.asp
 *'''Optional:''' Sign up for the [[Guilds/Twisted_Thistle|Twisted Thistle]] guild in River Plains
 *'''Optional:''' Get confused over why things in the garden get converted into other things the way they do.<br>

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 *'''Optional:''' Sign up for the [[Guilds/Twisted_Thistle|Twisted Thistle]] guild in River Plains
 *'''Optional:''' Get confused over why things in the garden get converted into other things the way they do.<br>
-**Come back to the wiki and look for more guides about thistles. These will have the conversions and mechanisms explained more in detail, while this guide here was to familiarize you with the garden itself. It is fun to play with on it's own, but if you want to really finetune a recipe, more indepth knowledge will be required.
+**Come back to the wiki and look for more guides about thistles. These will have the conversions and mechanisms explained more in detail, while this guide here was to familiarize you with the garden itself. It is fun to play with on it's own, but if you want to really finetune a recipe, more indepth knowledge will be required. Note that the whole process can be macroed with [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/TaleScripts VeggieTales] using [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/User:Hanid Hanid's guide.]
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 '''Thank you for reading and come back soon for more guides!'''

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 *You might want to '''note down what you do in garden''', or take screenshots. When you run the garden in the exact same way at similar time of day (day/night) you will likely get the same results, at least for the next day or two.<br><br>
 *'''The garden converts Nit and Pot''' into vitamins, and vitamins into other vitamins. In fact, Nit and Pot are not used for anything else, they are pure inputs and as such, basically simply materials.<br><br>
-*'''Water, Oxygen, and Sun are not used up to produce anything''' (they still decrease by 10 each tick though). What they do is determine what can be done in the garden - the conversions happening in the garden tend to require them to be in a certain range in order to work. So if you see something useful happen at 80 water and it disappears at 60 water, it might be a good idea to add more water to the garden to see this again.<br><br>
+*'''Water, Oxygen, and Sun are not used up to produce anything''' (H2O and oxy still decrease by 10 each tick though). What they do is determine what can be done in the garden - the conversions happening in the garden tend to require them to be in a certain range in order to work. So if you see something useful happen at 80 water and it disappears at 60 water, it might be a good idea to add more water to the garden to see this again.<br><br>
 *'''No Asc at night... most of the time'''. It is very rare to get anything other than A- for Asc at night time.<br><br>
 *'''No way to get rid of Bio!''' This means that there is nothing in the garden that would be able to reduce it's amount if it's already there. If you want low Bio, better avoid making it in the first place (often difficult).

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 **#When you click on the Sun button, nothing is added, but the canopy is either opened or closed, switching between two different Sun values.
 **#*Sun value with canopy closed is ALWAYS 1/3 of the value with canopy open.
-**When you ADD Nit, Pot, H2O or water, their amount in the garden is increased by 20. This gets shown on the last row that was displayed before you clicked. Same goes for changes in the Sun value - the changes get reflected on the last row already shown in the garden.
+**When you ADD Nit, Pot, oxygen or water, their amount in the garden is increased by 20. This gets shown on the last row that was displayed before you clicked. Same goes for changes in the Sun value - the changes get reflected on the last row already shown in the garden.
 **The maximum amount of ANYTHING in the garden is capped at 99. This means the following:
 **# IF the garden has 79 or less of a nutrient, adding it once will increase the value in garden by 20

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 * Master the basics of using a [[Thistle Garden|garden]] without any external help (ThistleSim, Talos' Thistle Tool, or Veggietales). These external tools will be discussed in other sections of the guide with particular focus on ThistleSim.
-==Small text on the back of your garden==
+==Small text on the back of a thistle garden==
 Thistle is a weed that is impossible to kill: if you plant it, it will grow. Thistle is edible to many insects and animals, and it can contain a surprising variety of vitamins. The amount of vitamins produced depends on how the thistle was cared for.
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 * Fol (folin, a vitamin)
 * Nia (niacin, a vitamin)
-* Pyr (pyroxiding, a vitamin)
+* Pyr (pyroxidine, a vitamin)
 * Thi (thiamine, a vitamin)
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 Thistle is affected by day-to-day weather variation. On certain days, thistle just won't do certain conversions. Each morning, you will have to test the thistle to see which conversions it will do, and make your plans accordingly. Active conversions change at Midnight.
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 * The stress inflicted by changes in the weather appears to accumulate over time so that in reality, thistles change their voids once a week. Each week lasts 7 Egypt days, and every week on Monday morning at 00:00 the [[Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist|thistle voids]] change. This is the same time [[Ant Colony|Ants]] change their [[leaves|leaf preferences]] (probably also due to weather), so it's a more or less safe bet than when someone announces the new leaf type, thistle voids will have changed as well.
 *Practically speaking, all [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/Thistle_Recipes Thistle recipes] need to be remade every Egypt week since the old ones will highly likely stop producing the required [[thistles]].