Talk:Laws/Watch Dog - Revision history

Zhukuram: /* Response 1: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-30T00:04:51Z

Response 1: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response 2: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T19:13:27Z

Response 2: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response 2: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T19:13:12Z

Response 2: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response 2: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T19:11:59Z

Response 2: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response 2: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T18:06:25Z

Response 2: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response 2: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T18:04:43Z

Response 2: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T18:03:38Z

Response: Spread out compound shapes

Zhukuram: /* Response: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T18:03:21Z

Response: Spread out compound shapes

GHawkins: /* Response: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T04:53:31Z

Response: Spread out compound shapes

GHawkins: /* Response: Spread out compound shapes */

2012-08-29T04:52:40Z

Response: Spread out compound shapes

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 My understanding is that there is a "max size" of (iicr) 49 sectors to any CP.  The layout blueprint editor handles the physcial dimensions and appearence of the building.   There maybe another game mechanic to allow bigger buildings. If that is the case then the dog's "max size" would have to adjust upwards.
-The max size of a dogs area would be the physcical shape of the 49 sectors + 10 coords along the othermost perimiter of the building.
+The max size of a dogs area would be the physcical shape of the 49 sectors + 10 coords along the outtermost perimiter of the building.
 Even buildings with "appearance gaps" still conform to the blueprint editors restriction.

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 == Response 2:  Spread out compound shapes ==
-What an interesting compound! I do not know what is the 'underlying mechanic" of the Building Blueprint Editor. But there are a few observations I can make.
+What an interesting compound! I do not know what is the "underlying mechanic" of the Building Blueprint Editor. But there are a few observations I can make.
 # If the Dog were placed inside the compound it would protect <the shape> and 10 coords on a side.  So this CP would have a long narrow rectangluar shape protected.  I'm pretty sure if that when you open the Blueprint editor you would see the shape.  While you might call this a "land grab" it might also just be a unique designed building.  There should not be any restrction on "odd shaped buildings".  So this would be consistent with the intent of the Dog.

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 == Response 2:  Spread out compound shapes ==
-What an interesting compound! I do not know the 'underlying mechanic" of the Bulding Blueprint Editor. But there are a few observations I can make.
+What an interesting compound! I do not know what is the 'underlying mechanic" of the Building Blueprint Editor. But there are a few observations I can make.
 # If the Dog were placed inside the compound it would protect <the shape> and 10 coords on a side.  So this CP would have a long narrow rectangluar shape protected.  I'm pretty sure if that when you open the Blueprint editor you would see the shape.  While you might call this a "land grab" it might also just be a unique designed building.  There should not be any restrction on "odd shaped buildings".  So this would be consistent with the intent of the Dog.

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 == Response 2:  Spread out compound shapes ==
-What an interesting compound! I agree that whatever the 'underlying mechanic" is, there are a few observations I can make.
+What an interesting compound! I do not know the 'underlying mechanic" of the Bulding Blueprint Editor. But there are a few observations I can make.
-# If the Dog were placed inside the compound it would protect <the shape> and 10 coords on a side.  So this CP would have a long narrow rectangluar shape protected.  I'm pretty sure if that when you open the Blueprint editor you would see the shape.  While you might call this a "land grab" it might also just be a unique designed building.  There should not be any restrction on "odd shaped buildings".  So this would be consistent with the intent of the Law.
+# If the Dog were placed inside the compound it would protect <the shape> and 10 coords on a side.  So this CP would have a long narrow rectangluar shape protected.  I'm pretty sure if that when you open the Blueprint editor you would see the shape.  While you might call this a "land grab" it might also just be a unique designed building.  There should not be any restrction on "odd shaped buildings".  So this would be consistent with the intent of the Dog.
 # If the Dog were placed outside the compound then the "max building size" would not protect this shape.   When I open the blueprint editor I get a square or normal rectangular shape, not a long narrow one as a default.
 # The true definition of "max buiding size and shape" is the one that Teppy has programmed.  I do not know of the exact limitation or full restrictions of this variable.  The only thing I know it that the variable is enforced.
-# Dogs are not intented to prevent "land grabs".  They are meant to protect a limited area around your own CP and perhaps a few resources.  Under current uses "land grab" buildings are just shells with no objects in them, constructed to cover the entire resource area.  Dogs will not prevent this.
+# Dogs are not intented to prevent "land grabs".  They are meant to protect a limited area around your own CP and perhaps a few resources.  Under current uses, "land grab" buildings are just shells with no objects in them, constructed to cover the entire resource area.  Dogs will not prevent this.
 [[User:Zhukuram|Zhukuram]] 13:06, 29 August 2012 (EST)

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	# The true definition of "max buiding size and shape" is the one that Teppy has programmed. I do not know of the exact limitation or full restrictions of this variable. The only thing I know it that the variable is enforced.		# The true definition of "max buiding size and shape" is the one that Teppy has programmed. I do not know of the exact limitation or full restrictions of this variable. The only thing I know it that the variable is enforced.
	# Dogs are not intented to prevent "land grabs". They are meant to protect a limited area around your own CP and perhaps a few resources. Under current uses "land grab" buildings are just shells with no objects in them, constructed to cover the entire resource area. Dogs will not prevent this.		# Dogs are not intented to prevent "land grabs". They are meant to protect a limited area around your own CP and perhaps a few resources. Under current uses "land grab" buildings are just shells with no objects in them, constructed to cover the entire resource area. Dogs will not prevent this.
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		+	[[User:Zhukuram\|Zhukuram]] 13:06, 29 August 2012 (EST)

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 --GHawkins
-== Response: Spread out compound shapes ==
+== Response 1: Spread out compound shapes ==
 My understanding is that there is a "max size" of (iicr) 49 sectors to any CP.  The layout blueprint editor handles the physcial dimensions and appearence of the building.   There maybe another game mechanic to allow bigger buildings. If that is the case then the dog's "max size" would have to adjust upwards.

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		+	== Response 2: Spread out compound shapes ==
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		+	What an interesting compound! I agree that whatever the 'underlying mechanic" is, there are a few observations I can make.
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		+	# If the Dog were placed inside the compound it would protect <the shape> and 10 coords on a side. So this CP would have a long narrow rectangluar shape protected. I'm pretty sure if that when you open the Blueprint editor you would see the shape. While you might call this a "land grab" it might also just be a unique designed building. There should not be any restrction on "odd shaped buildings". So this would be consistent with the intent of the Law.
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		+	# If the Dog were placed outside the compound then the "max building size" would not protect this shape. When I open the blueprint editor I get a square or normal rectangular shape, not a long narrow one as a default.
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		+	# The true definition of "max buiding size and shape" is the one that Teppy has programmed. I do not know of the exact limitation or full restrictions of this variable. The only thing I know it that the variable is enforced.
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		+	# Dogs are not intented to prevent "land grabs". They are meant to protect a limited area around your own CP and perhaps a few resources. Under current uses "land grab" buildings are just shells with no objects in them, constructed to cover the entire resource area. Dogs will not prevent this.

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 [[File:DogCompound.jpg|200px|thumb|right|Land seizure compound]]
-My major concern is that we might get compounds designed like the one on the right designed to seize large swaths of land with dogs as I understand the proposed implementation to be.  The whole building in the picture on the right is a single compound, and it spreads from 2492N-2568N.  When I try to extend it much further I get warnings about compound size, but already it's clearly more than 49 coords long in terms of how much area would be covered by a watchdog since all the gaps between compound sectors are less than 20 coords.
+To illustrate my concern is compounds designed like the one on the right designed to claim large swaths of land with dogs as I understand the proposed implementation to be.  The whole building in the picture on the right is a single compound, and it spreads from 2492N-2568N.  When I try to extend it much further I get warnings about compound size, but already it's clearly more than 49 coords long in terms of how much area would be covered by a watchdog since all the gaps between compound sectors are less than 20 coords.
 I've only used 11 sectors in the image shown so I'm not exactly sure what's causing the "compound is too large" error, but there appears to be substantial variability in how much area can be claimed by a compound with watchdog depending on how the compound is shaped.  Concerns about how much land someone should be able to claim with a compound aside, the area claimed by an outdoor watchdog should be strictly defined.  A 27x27 coord square area for example unless we have some way to define a specific area to be guarded by an outdoor watchdog.
 --GHawkins

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	I've only used 11 sectors in the image shown so I'm not exactly sure what's causing the "compound is too large" error, but there appears to be substantial variability in how much area can be claimed by a compound with watchdog depending on how the compound is shaped. Concerns about how much land someone should be able to claim with a compound aside, the area claimed by an outdoor watchdog should be strictly defined. A 27x27 coord square area for example unless we have some way to define a specific area to be guarded by an outdoor watchdog.		I've only used 11 sectors in the image shown so I'm not exactly sure what's causing the "compound is too large" error, but there appears to be substantial variability in how much area can be claimed by a compound with watchdog depending on how the compound is shaped. Concerns about how much land someone should be able to claim with a compound aside, the area claimed by an outdoor watchdog should be strictly defined. A 27x27 coord square area for example unless we have some way to define a specific area to be guarded by an outdoor watchdog.
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		+	--GHawkins