Thistle Guide - Revision history

Cegaiel at 08:45, 24 March 2014

2014-03-24T08:45:08Z

Cegaiel at 04:36, 24 March 2014

2014-03-24T04:36:36Z

Cegaiel: /* Conversions */

2014-01-26T00:06:39Z

Conversions

Talos at 22:40, 23 April 2013

2013-04-23T22:40:56Z

Sebilis at 20:13, 3 September 2012

2012-09-03T20:13:16Z

Cegaiel: /* Conversions */

2012-02-21T04:33:09Z

Conversions

Cegaiel: /* Conversions */

2012-02-21T03:55:15Z

Conversions

Cegaiel: /* How to Predict a Recipe */

2012-02-17T03:05:02Z

How to Predict a Recipe

T5 Import: /* How to Predict a Recipe */

2011-03-21T01:47:24Z

How to Predict a Recipe

T5 Import: /* How to Predict a Recipe */

2011-01-15T17:25:56Z

How to Predict a Recipe

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	All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.		All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.

−	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 6:~~05pm~~ to 6~~-7am~~ area?.	+	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions are from 6:00PM to 6:00AM area (canopy open)?.

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	For daytime to work, the Sun needs to be => 19 (canopy closed) and => 80 (canopy open). Numbers outside this range is night.		For daytime to work, the Sun needs to be => 19 (canopy closed) and => 80 (canopy open). Numbers outside this range is night.

		+	At 4:45PM Egypt time, a closed canopy will produce 18 Sun (min time/canopy setting to test for night voids).

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 === Conversions ===
-There are 21 possible conversions of which some (usually 1-5) are inactive for a game week. The inactive ones are typically called "voids", and change at the same time as the fresh leaves. Calendar for the leaf and thistle voids change and the current week number: [http://sharpnetwork.net/atitd/calendar.asp http://sharpnetwork.net/atitd/calendar.asp]
+There are 21 possible conversions of which some (usually 1-5) are inactive for a game week. The inactive ones are typically called "voids", and change at the same time as the fresh leaves. Calendar for the leaf and thistle voids change and the current week number: [http://sharpnetwork.net/atitd/calendar.asp http://atitd.sharpnetwork.net/calendar.asp]
   There are 3 conversions for producing each of the 7 vitamins; depending on levels of each of water, oxygen, or sunlight.

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 ===== Graphical form =====
 [[Image:Thistle-conversions.svg|500px|Thistle Conversions]]
 == Strategies ==

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	== Overview ==		== Overview ==
	One thistle seed is used per planting, and water, dung, and saltpeter can be added at various times throughout the growing process to help produce the desired type of vitamins.		One thistle seed is used per planting, and water, dung, and saltpeter can be added at various times throughout the growing process to help produce the desired type of vitamins.

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	All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.		All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.

−	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 4:~~39pm~~ to 6-7am area?.	+	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 6:05pm to 6-7am area?.

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	All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.		All conversions follow the rule that 10 of one thing produces a certain amount of another. Whenever there's more than 10 of the required nutrient available, only 10 is used. When there is less than 10, all of it is used and the amount of product is proportionally smaller. The reactions proceed in order of the vitamin being created. Within those, they proceed in order of the substance being converted.

−	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 4:39pm to ~~8:09am)~~.	+	If the condition (water, oxygen, or sunlight) is not met at the end of the previous tick, the conversion does not proceed. As a consequence of the sunlight conditions, time of day is quite important when growing thistles. Full daylight is necessary for some recipes, with sufficient sunlight only available between 8:10am and 3:50pm. Night time conversions is from 4:39pm to 6-7am area?.

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	Finding out the voids		Finding out the voids
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		+	I have made easy to use recipes to test voids using Veggie Tales. Just load them into thistles_new.lua or thistles_custom.lua. See recipes on my user page. ~[[User:Cegaiel \|Cegaiel]]
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	In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.		In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.

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 === How to Predict a Recipe ===
-First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here
+First step in predicting a thistle recipe is finding out which conversions are inactive at the time you plan on making your thistles. Alternatively, you may want to see if anybody else has already done the work for the current Egyptian day and shared their knowledge here <Where's "here?" Someone forgot the link>
 Finding out the voids

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 In order to find out the daily voided conversions, you'll need to do the following.
-* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values. One possible way of doing the test run efficiently at 0 Sun can be found here.
+* a) Make a test run in your garden and make sure to screenshot (ALT-C works fine) EVERYTHING. You'll get the best results by experimenting with different H and O values and producing enough vitamins for everything to happen as soon as possible. Keep in mind that the info you get will be only about voids that had a chance of happening during your test run (ie, you won't get any data on things that never occur during 0 sun during your test run at 0 sun; also when you never get any Thi you'll miss all the conversions requiring Thi). This being said, it's probably easiest to first max everything and get some things going; then later once you have some vitamins already play around with different H and O values.
 * b) Open the thistle simulator. You'll need to tell it when you added, and how much. For this there are 2 options.
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 * e) Play around with the conversions shown there as active by switching them on and off on the Master sheet ('0' = OFF, '1' = ON) until the row of interest starts matching your screenshot. Note that the tool has occasionally (maybe once per 2 runs) small rounding issues which cause a number to differ by from the screenshot by 1. Don't pay any attention to these.
 * f) Continue doing this until you reach the last row and it matches the one on your screenshot. You're done! Everything in the "Daily voids" column that was changed to 0 during the process is inactive (voided) this day. Our thistle researchers and thistle growers alike would probably appreciate if you let them know the Weekly voids.
 === Using the Voids to Design Your Recipe ===