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Khama: Created page with "Kanixihk: well, one obvious but unfair one: why haven't you passed any leadership tests yet? :) Tut: I try. :P That being said, tell me a little more about how you would use DP ..."

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Created page with "Kanixihk: well, one obvious but unfair one: why haven't you passed any leadership tests yet? :) Tut: I try. :P That being said, tell me a little more about how you would use DP ..."

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Kanixihk: well, one obvious but unfair one: why haven't you passed any leadership tests yet? :)
Tut: I try. :P That being said, tell me a little more about how you would use DP to help the ATITD community as a whole, or how you plan to use the DP platform as a launching point for other ventures.
Khama: I am focused on Leadership, and really enjoy mentoring and helping people
Khama: Well hopefully as DP/Oracle - I can help shape a new test for the next tale. But that isnt my main reason for wanting Oracle. I really want to honor my mentor Deeva. A well known and respected legacy player. (I myself am a Grandlegacy) - Hopefully I can pull her back into game. (more ....)
Khama: Getting DP will allow me additional exposure, both in game, and out of game. I have many gamer friends, that I am trying to get into ATITD (I have brought in 3 this tale so far) ... and showing them how any player can aspire and become a leader and DP in game is a nice selling point to bring people in. (More...)
Khama: Alot of Legacy players already know me. I was with AlphaBob, Jodpar, Sinless, Maata, and others in Lower Nubia Public Works (As you can see, I have a history of helping people, over pursuing my own advancement) ... but DP will give me the ability to bond and help newer players even more, showing them what they can aspire to.
Kanixihk: to reply to your question Tut: I have no plans regarding using DP for other ventures, and I rather doubt I'll get to Oracle, though that would be nice. As to helping the community as a whole: I think if ppl don't participate in politics they have no right to complain about having leaders they're unsatisfied with. I didn't have any plans to pursue DP, but I was thrust into it, and I don't wish to make the last-round voters' votes futile. If they think I'd make a good DP, I'm willing to give it a shot.
Kanixihk: I don't think DPs are really "leaders", considering they're one-shot wonders with no powers other than banning... I see them more as arbiters/councilors.
Khama: agreed Kanixihk ....very much so
Khama: Alot of arbiration/counciloring and a bit of mentoring/phsycology mixed in.
Khama: Though most if not all are elected simply on name exposure and trust.
Kanixihk: anyway, I have no idea who among us would make a better DP. Clearly Khama wants it more than I. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is up to you folks to decide. :)_
Kanixihk: only reason I'm here is because last round voters asked me to... I'll do my best to make their decision a good one is all I can say.
Tut: That's fair, Kanix. Very good of you. Not necessarily the most convincing argument to get people to vote for you as DP, but a good thought nonetheless :P
Kanixihk: I'm not really trying to persuade you Tut, I'm explaining the situation.
Tut: I understand, and I appreciate it. :)
Tut: I'm sorry for not having more full and timely responses, too many chats open at once.
Kanixihk: I'm laying my cards on the table. Vote for me, get a reluctant DP who will out of a sense of duty work hard not to make the votes electing him not be in vain.
Kanixihk: Oh, don't worry about it - we're having a discussion, doesn't need to be timely.
Kanixihk: We're only 3/7 here anyway.
Kanixihk: er.. 3/6 I guess
Khama: I cant deny I dont aspire to Oracle, as that is my goal this tale. I would love to honor my Montor Deeva that way. ( We both ran together in T2 in DP ), I will say though that If I am not asked to advance to round 3, so far my support would be for Kanixihk. I know him to be a nice, helpfull person.
Kanixihk: likewise :)
Tut: Ok, now to respond to Khama. :P
Kanixihk: sorry, I suspect you may have more questions than I do, and I'm probably going to have to log very soon - may I interrupt?
Tut: oops, by all means, no need to ask :)
Khama: please do Kanixihk
Kanixihk: I know it's maybe an unfair question, but I am curious - there are 5 leadership tests open, and it doesn't seem like you've passed any Khama. Do you think you have a decent shot at Oracle?
Kanixihk: ok, 4 besides DP :)
Kanixihk: (I'd be happy to have you as a DP btw, I'm just asking because part of your platform seems to be the oracle thing, and I'm wondering if it's viable)
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Khama: Very much so ....I should pass Coalition next round, In a bureauracy as a Supervisor, I have 2 mentors now, and will be starting Hegemon soon. and as I stated, I opened the Leadership tests, by passing Principals first this tale.
Khama: 2011-12-04 22:56:24 The scientists at the River Plains University of uleadership would like to announce that Khama has demonstrated that Egypt is ready for the leadinit. They declare the Test open for all citizens of Egypt.
Khama: 2 months in, and I am very close to passing 2 (Possibly 3) of the 4 open tests to me right now
Khama: Not high enough level for Hegemon yet, but will be shortly
Kanixihk: well, the opening of principles doesn't mean much to me - you just happened to be the first person there. I'm happy to hear about the other tests though. One last unpleasant question and then I'll shut up: many ppl leave egypt mid-tale. And of course many DPs leave soon after being elected. What's your history of involvement in the game? Do you stick around, or do you like many of us take long hiatuses or leave altogether midway through?
Khama: AFK for 5 minutes .... gotta take the dogs out real quick. .... Oh and welcome to the discussion Karedas ;-)
Kanixihk: I can stick around for another 5-10 minutes to hear your response :)
Khama: I played up until the last weeks of T2 ..... all tale. I dont take long breaks (Week or two at most, if on vacation) ..... I played EQ for 3 years, EQ Mac for 4 years, WOW for 7 years ....
Khama: I ran the EQMac.com website for 4 years, and was the Community Organizer ..... when I devote to a game, its the only game I devote to, and I stick it out
Kanixihk: oh, so you haven't played since T2? interesting, another semi-outsider :)
Kanixihk: I'm done with my questions, Tut, if you want to take over when Khama returns
Khama: Tis true .... Played T2, and am back for T6 (Actually came back T5, but twards the end)
Khama: yes, gonna walk the dogs real quick BRB
Kanixihk: I'm sorry I won't be around for most of the next two days... if anyone would be so kind as to log the chat for me it would be greatly appreciated.
Khama: I will try Kanixihk .... took screen shots, and will try to post them to my user page. Will link to you later. (Any anyone else that want it)
Khama: I have to work tomorrow though, so I may miss some.
Kanixihk: Khama, are you familiar with /copy?
Khama: Tut, you were going to respond, or ask questions ?
Khama: I am not .... Mostly run on Mac, but do run Parallels/Windows sometimes (On Windows Now)
Kanixihk: oh, well it's easier than screenshopts
Kanixihk: *shots
Kanixihk: /copy stores the current chat into the clipboard
Khama: just type /copy?
Kanixihk: yeah
Khama: Cool .. got it
Kanixihk: anyway, I don't mean to impose that burden on anyone, just saying, if it occurs to anyone, I'd appreciate it :)
Khama: pasted to text edit
Kanixihk: cool
Khama: Tut , Did you have questions, or repsonses ? Did not mean to intturpt you.
Khama: Karedas , care to join the discussion ?
Karedas: Why not
Karedas: But I'll mostly be a spectator
Karedas: I signed for DP to pass principle, I didn't expect to go to next round
Karedas: so don't vote for me, I won't be a good DP :)
Khama: your still a part of the election process
Karedas: I'll read what's said here to choose who I'll vote for
Khama: I am going to try to post a log in the next day or so, FYI - I will post a link here
Karedas: from what I red so far, out of the 7 who passed, you are the 2 that are wanting to go for DP
Kanixihk: 3 ppl still haven't spoken up
Kanixihk: so there may be others...
Khama: So far, yes. Archipelago and KiwiBird have not been on
Kanixihk: no, sorry, 2
Khama: KiwiBird hasnt been on in 2 days ... hope he makes it back
Tut: Sorry, had to go afk for a bit. Umm... let me figure out what I was thinking again.
Tut: Again, before I ask anything, please understand that I don't think you would be a bad candidate, but I would like to understand more about you before giving you an endorsement. :)
Khama: Of course
Khama: Also, if you are ever in River Plains, and need public equipment, stop by River PLains Public Works - Located next to ULead
Khama: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/River_Plains_Public_Works
Tut: Kanix asked some good questions related to tests passed etc, and also to activity. You touched on the leadership aspects of being a DP with my earlier questions. I felt your answers were adequate. I think your motives are pure and praiseworthy, however I don't know that they are a huge selling point for Egypt as a whole.
Kanixihk: well, I guess voting strategy depends on individuals
Tut: What I mean by that is that people will be looking for 2 things in regards to leadership. 1) what are the motives behind this person and will they hurt what I'm trying to do in the game and 2) will this person help what I'm trying to achieve
Kanixihk: some ppl vote their heart, others vote in the hopes of getting the least bad/potentially dangerous candidate
Tut: You pass with flying colors in regards to 1, and in regards to 2, are neutral.
Kanixihk: personally I generally spoil or destroy my ballot :)
Tut: Yeah, that's true, Kanix. In general though those are the 2 things. Just my thoughts on the leadership aspect. In regards to the rest of being a DP...
Kanixihk: (I'm very untrustful of politicians.) But back to your questions... why should the DP be helping you to achieve things?
Kanixihk: Do you really want ppl that get enough votes to have an impact on the game other than dealing with grievances/disputes?
Tut: Is that directed to me? Potentially... yes. I think it would be great to see DP's who are actively leading initiatives in the community using the DP platform and the recognition that brings. Is it necessary, no. Is it a selling point for me and probably for a lot of voters if there's something good that a DP candidate wants to achieve? I think so.
Kanixihk: Well, I can only speak from my bastet experience
Kanixihk: and from the very limited perspective I got from obsessively reading the T4A/T5 mic chat logs posted to the web
Khama: Its all a DP can really do, in sense of power. Its a false position. Use your bans without majority of Egypt behind you, and you could be recalled. You are basically put in power, to do the bidding of the will of the people. Without their backing, you loose your power, trust and honor.
Kanixihk: (and 1 month I spent on T5 to learn from various local experts, mostly re genetics)
Kanixihk: but what I've observed is that generally a DP does very little specific to their office
Kanixihk: they do function as leaders, but that's kind of incidental
Kanixihk: so do lots of ppl without official titles
Kanixihk: so personally, when I vote on the general election, I won't be voting on ppl I think will make egypt better - I'm too cynical for that
Kanixihk: if I can find someone who's running that I think is better positioned to keep things running smoothly, in terms of helping to smooth over conflict, I'll vote for them
Kanixihk: but I won't be holding my breath expecting a DP to somehow make the game better just through their inspirational contributions to the game... I just don't think that's how it usually works
Tut: While that's true, my point still stands that it would be better to see it used as a platform that people with a vision would use to improve different aspects of Egypt. Well, in general what I'm talking about would in my mind be used as a tie-breaker between 2 equal people in regards to the other parts of being a DP (conflict resolution / using a ban). You interrupted me before I could move past my minor point. :P
Kanixihk: (and 1 month I spent on T5 to learn from various local experts, mostly re genetics)
Kanixihk: but what I've observed is that generally a DP does very little specific to their office
Kanixihk: they do function as leaders, but that's kind of incidental
Kanixihk: so do lots of ppl without official titles
Kanixihk: so personally, when I vote on the general election, I won't be voting on ppl I think will make egypt better - I'm too cynical for that
Kanixihk: if I can find someone who's running that I think is better positioned to keep things running smoothly, in terms of helping to smooth over conflict, I'll vote for them
Kanixihk: but I won't be holding my breath expecting a DP to somehow make the game better just through their inspirational contributions to the game... I just don't think that's how it usually works
Tut: While that's true, my point still stands that it would be better to see it used as a platform that people with a vision would use to improve different aspects of Egypt. Well, in general what I'm talking about would in my mind be used as a tie-breaker between 2 equal people in regards to the other parts of being a DP (conflict resolution / using a ban). You interrupted me before I could move past my minor point. :P
Kanixihk: sorry, I'm rambling a bit perhaps. I agree that'd be great, but I don't think that's what happens empirically.
Kanixihk: We all have this fantasy that a DP wil do things to make Egypt better. Personally, I think the best they can do is keep it from getting worse.
Khama: well I would hope to make a difference in both conflict resolution, as well as mentoring and promoting projects and events. But also in helping to design a new test for the next tale.
Kanixihk: But Khama, would you cease to mentor and promote projects/events if you weren't elected?
Khama: never
Kanixihk: that's the difficulty for me in understanding this sort of platform
Khama: it would just give me more exposre and a bigger soapbox ;-)
Kanixihk: well, I think you can get that exposure and soapbox if you crave it regardless of whether you're a DP
Kanixihk: lots of ppl have a big presence in the game through their effort to reach out to ppl at events (sometimes which they sponsor themselves), l2pbs, regional chats, etc
Kanixihk: I don't mean to say you shouldn't be DP, just that I don't think it would make a big difference to your ambitions/projects (other than Oracle of course)
Khama nods
Kanixihk: I should really go to bed, or at least shut up for a while so Tut can get a word in...
Tut: I don't disagree with you that it usually doesn't happen, Kanix, but it doesn't stop me from looking at one person as a good candidate and another as even better because they do have ways they want to improve Egypt with. However... this was all intended to be a very minor point before moving on to what I feel is the most important part of being a dp, so let me know when you're done asking questions about it. :P
Tut: Sorry, had that typed up waiting.
Kanixihk: I'm done, go ahead with your bigger question
Kanixihk: I guess since I'll be gone for two days I'm eager to try to explain myself a bit :)
Tut: Haha, no problem. It's not a big deal, I was just going to move the conversation towards conflict resolution and using bans. So better that we finished with that first.
Tut: Does what I was saying make sense? Like I said, I agree that it usually doesn't happen that someone would have ways they want to improve Egypt, but if they do, that's a bonus to me.
Kanixihk: well, to me, anyone who plays the game seriously has lots of ideas as to how to improve it
Kanixihk: the trouble is, a dp has no greater ability to do so than anyone else, and thus voting for someone you think has a good plan doesn't really change anything
Kanixihk: but yes, conflict resolution, bans, go on - what is the question?
Tut: Well, a dp does have a little bit of an edge in that they are better known. This would let them organize a player-initiated movement easier if that was what was included. Again, conflict resolution and bans is in my mind the most important part of a DP and as such would be the primary criteria my vote would be based on, but the above-discussed subjects would be very handy on deciding between otherwise equal candidates. Anyways, sorry, wanted to get that all out before moving on.
Tut: Both Khama and Kanix then... what would be an example of a situation you would feel a ban is necessary and how would you go about handling it?
Tut: *situation in which
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Khama: Well actually, with the new AntiGeifers Law, I really dont see a situation where a DP ban is necessary. - sorry it may seem like a cop-out, but its true
Khama: As a DP, I could call on a vote, and allow Egypt to decide if the ban should apply or not
Kanixihk: it does change things quite a bit
Khama: I would never need to use my DP bans (Should I become DP)
Kanixihk: I'm a little out of touch I confess. Do I recall correctly, does a DP now have jailing powers, in addition to the permanent ban?
Khama: No
Kanixihk: I was a DP in T4B (who wasn't?), but I think I recall reading that there another power bestowed at some point
Khama: kuupid asked a GM to jail Geodude, becuase he would log off any time she got near him. This way he could not "Run Away" ... but Teppy vetored it and released him from Jail
Kanixihk: jail was a bad term - I thought it was possible to ban for limited periods of time
Khama: the Bans and now the ability to call a Egypt Wide vote are the only two powers bestowed upon a DP
Khama: nope, premanant Ban
Kanixihk: don't see anything in the wiki about that though, so I'm probably misremembering
Khama: just checked with kuupid to make sure
Khama: She confirms ... permanant bans, and ability to call egypt wide vote ... thats all
Kanixihk: must've been a failed law or something
Kanixihk: does make sense though, the ability to temporarily suspend someone rather than ban them altogether, provided there are safeguards
Khama: so to answer you question Tut , I would never use my bans .... I would however call upon a egypt wide vote, if I thought someone was greifing, and talking to them could not get them to stop.
Kanixihk: sorry Tut, got distracted by other chats. An example of where I would ban: a player refuses, after very lengthy attempts at mediation, to stop griefing other players. Another: a player commits an act extremely averse to Egypt's morality, e.g. a guild Elder taking everyting and demoting/ejecting every other elder. But as Khama says, the easier/more democratic rescourse in this day and age is the AGA.
Kanixihk: 'fraid I'm going to have to sleep. I'll be on briefly tomorrow morning, then see you on Monday.
Khama: Bye Kanixihk
Tut: Sorry, I apologise for disappearing, had to go afk for a bit. Catching up now.
Khama: NP .... I too am headed to bed shortly ... after 12AM here, and I need to work tomorrow. ... leaving in about 5 minutes, will be back tomorrow afternoon
Tut: ok, may leave some questions / thoughts on here in response or something. If not, I'll catch you another time. :) Have a good night!
KiwiBird: @Kanixihk, during tale four there was the ability to ban for a period of time. This ability I believe did actually use one DP Ban however. This was voted in as a change to the test.
Khama: KiwiBird ! Hiya
Khama: oK Tut .... I wil be back in about 12ish hours
Tut: Alrighty, see ya! :)
Khama: I would love to talk KiwiBird , but I gotta hit the sheets. Have to be at work in morning for a few hours
KiwiBird: No worries. Since I haven't been able to be on, I withdraw from this round, but Im not sure who to vote for either.
Khama: Tut or Kiwi ... if there is extensive discussion, please /copy the log for me and Kanixihk
Khama: I wil post what I have for logs tomorrow to my user page
Khama: Night all, catch you tomorrow
Tut: Night.
KiwiBird: Peace for now
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Archipelago: Hello all :)
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Archipelago: I guess no one is on at the moment. I am looking forward to speaking with all about dp, please leave send me a chat if you have any questions for me. I'll do my best to answer them :)
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Archipelago: Mostly because it is collaborative learning at its finest.
Khama: Mine too. I was EQ beta and Wow beta too. .... even ran the EQ Mac Website, and was community leader. They were all friendly, but ATITD beats them hands down. Oh and its Khama (Like Comma) not Kharma ;-)
Archipelago: and something always brings me back. I believe as an extension of that experience and gaming community and a lot of leadership experience I would make a good dp
Archipelago: nice :)
Archipelago: oh sorry! i'm working on a laptop at sort of a weird angle lol
Archipelago: but in short i love the game and i respect the people
Archipelago: i'm also very proactive in problem solving and pretty decisive. So I hope that answers your questions lol.
Khama: how are you doing on Leadership tests ?
Archipelago: Well, I'm still working on demi-pharaoh :)
Archipelago: I'm doing very well on coalition and in bureau i think
Archipelago: 1324 so far in bureau
Archipelago: and 8092 in coalition atm, which is ok i suppose
Khama: not bad
Archipelago: How about you?
Khama: same. though I am lower in Bureau but slightly higher in coalition
Khama: Havent started Hedgemon, but do have 2 mentee's ATM
Archipelago: nice
Archipelago: I would also like to mention, I'll be here until the end of the telling...so we won't be demi-pharaohless ever, should i be elected.
Archipelago: And I promise to free one sheep for every vote I receive.
Archipelago: :D
Khama: same ... Im not going anywhere. I started River Plains Public Works .... ( I was in LN Public Works in T2) ... I love helping peeps. I played all of T2, and intend to play all of T6
Archipelago: Nice :)
Khama: I played EQ for 7-8 years (3 on PC and 4 on Mac) and then 6+ years in WoW
Archipelago: Hoard or Ally?
Archipelago: or is it horde, i can't remember lol
Khama: Ally
Khama: Gnome Mage ;-)
Archipelago: pvp server?
Khama: No, though I did play PVP in EQ (Sullen Zek)
Archipelago: Ah
Archipelago: I played wow from vanilla to cataclysm
Archipelago: Illidan (pvp) on horde side
Khama: I didnt play Cataclsm
Archipelago: It was ok, I got tired of the weekly raid grind
Khama: Stil have active WoW account, but never got the last expansion, and havent logged in months
Archipelago: I miss it a little, but not enough to go back...it's too linear
Archipelago: atitd has more things to do with intrinsic value that are outside the scope of tests, etc, at least from my perspective.
Khama: agreed
Archipelago: and it's one of the few games that I play that still make me feel like a noob because the players are so smart and dedicated
Khama: I hear that.
Khama: Even though new players think I wrote the damn game, with all the knowledge I spew .... I still feel like a newb just about every other day.
Archipelago: I was one of the first people in smellivision (the incense research guild) and just working on that with the others has been a humbling experience
Archipelago: Yep same here
Archipelago: I try to approach the game differently every telling so I learn a little more every time
Khama: sweet, I may have to pick your brain for some recipies ..... I have just been throwing the kitchen at the lab, and hoping for the best
Archipelago: McArine, Skyfeather, Larame, and a lot of other people have done a great deal of work so far
Archipelago: so hopefully it won't be long until we get a lot of the info plotted
Khama: I was parusing the pages the other day
Archipelago: did you see this?
Khama: Opsss, let me copy log real quick ..... Kanixihk wants to read it, he wont be back on till tomorrow
Khama: ok got it
Archipelago: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:McArine/Incense
Archipelago: McArine wrote a pretty good explanation of how incense really looks
Khama: I was checking them out the other day
Archipelago: Ya, pretty awesome stuff
Archipelago: Exactly why i like this community
Khama: Dunno if you saw my opening statement? Or the discussion last night?
Khama: I need to posts the logs so far .... give me a few minutes.
Archipelago: ok sounds good
Archipelago: I actually have to go afk for a while anyway. I am currently in thesis hell lol.
Khama: k
Archipelago: I will read the logs though, and I look forward to talking more :)
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Kanixihk: turns out I have some limited access today after all
Kanixihk: hi Archipelago
Khama: WB Kanixihk
Khama: I have been logging, but there might be a few breaks. Also didnt log at the beginning, so missed the opening statements, but you saw those already
Kanixihk: I'm on a lousy computer with a keyboard I'm not really used to, so I'll probably be terser than usual. :)
Kanixihk: ty for doing the logging
Kanixihk: lol, you know your computer is poorly suited to running the game client when harvesting grass from a greenhouse is a big challenge
Kanixihk: even typing feels like I'm on a 300baud dialup connection
Khama: doh
Khama: I remember those days ......
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Kanixihk: can't handle the slowness... see you tomorrow possibly, more likely Monday
Khama: OK
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		+	Khama: ok posted log to my page
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		+	Khama: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/User:Khama/DPLog
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		+	KiwiBird: Thank you for that Khama muchly appreachated (even if I cant spell that word)
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		+	Khama: I am hoping within the next 24 hours we can come to a majority vote. As I stated in the begnning, I would like to advance, and eventually become an oracle of leadership. Khanixihk originally stated that he was here for principal only but his group advanced him. I must say that if the group decides I am not worthy of advancment, my support so far would be for
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		+	Kanixihk. Though I would like to advance if the group thinks I would be a good choice.
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		+	KiwiBird: With such a position as Oracle of Leadership, what petition would you make to provide a new idea for a Test of Leadership (even if its just rough outlines at this stage)?
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		+	Khama: Great question!
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		+	KiwiBird: Great and difficult, Ive always wanted to get a Leadership Test Idea on the boards, but I could never design one I would like.
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		+	Khama: I hadnt given much thought to it yet, but I guess a good test would be "Community Organizer" .... and focus some kind of test around that
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		+	Khama: Just the first thing that popped to mind
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		+	KiwiBird: Would that not be what most of Egypts Tests are? The biggest Test that comes to my mind would be Vigil (more so when done as a "Come and sac"
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		+	KiwiBird: (FYI these questions aren't designed to belittle your suggestion, but hopefully as a sounding board.
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		+	Khama: Of course
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		+	Khama: I would definately put alot of thought into it, but I think involveing pulling people together from multiple regions all at once is a sign of leadership .... organizing various events takes some leadership skills
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		+	KiwiBird: Ive always wanted to see DP removed personally. And replaced with a "Judge" type setting. That is, Judges get the ability to ban (Which is even slower than DP progression) but they get the ability to "sancation" (spelling)
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		+	Khama: mayby organizing multiple events and types .... acro, dig, vigil, .... etc ... and have a minimum number of paticipants
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		+	KiwiBird: And yes, I don't get the feeling of "leadership" from many of the tests we currently have. Thou I have never really been a person to be a leader... more support for those that I value. Thou I will run if I believe there is lesser worth in groups.
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		+	Khama: that is an interesting idea
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		+	Khama: not sure if Teppy would go for it, but perhaps adding a "Judge" test
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		+	KiwiBird: With the idea of Judge, it would give use to Code of Conduct petitions - ie to open the test you need to have a passing CoC petition.
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		+	KiwiBird: Indeed, he does love that test. But I think in all ove the tales there has only been one person that stands out in my mind as the reason teppy loves it.
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		+	Khama: oh?
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		+	KiwiBird: Cathy from T4 I believe it was, using her DP account and her husband to explode a persons Compound they didn't like.
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		+	Khama: ouch
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		+	Khama: well with the anti griefers law, I see no reason to ever use a ban.
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		+	KiwiBird: But I believe that conflict is what drives Teppy's love for the test. Which with that law (Anti Griefers) I think is the time to get it removed.
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		+	Khama: In fact, if it wouldnt effect my passing of the test, I would support... hell I would even draft a "Recall Khama" petition ...lol
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		+	KiwiBird: Recall Khama? As in removal of your Bannishment Powers?
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		+	Khama: sure
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		+	KiwiBird: Interesting.
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		+	Khama: Not needed with the anti grifers law
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		+	KiwiBird: I am actually very surprised the law made it into the game. It is the sort of law in which I would have guessed would have given the idea of DP
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		+	Khama: I think it was becuase Geodude was evading the DP, and this gets around the "Have to click on" issue.
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		+	KiwiBird: Indeed, I know in other tales however Teppy actually logged the player in.
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		+	Khama: yea? Well he told the GM's to remove GeoDude from jail this tale
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		+	KiwiBird: I find it very annoying that Teppy is actually like that. Given his mood he is very random in how he deals with it. Guild halls where always being used as grieances, then I think in T4/5 he removed the ability to move guild halls all over egypt.
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		+	KiwiBird: but then a friend of his was in a guild that it happened with and he "nija coded" the removal of that 'feature'
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		+	Khama: yea, kinda wish I could move the RPPW guild hall now
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		+	Khama: It is what it is though
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		+	KiwiBird: My view is more abilities with the guild hall are needed. For example, Guild Elders Text Colour, Guild Calendar, Guild movement
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		+	KiwiBird: Using a combination of Technology to unlock the skill
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		+	Khama: I like that idea
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		+	Khama: Expecially the chat color and calendar