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User:Sedjet/HarmTests

2017-10-26T18:42:04Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Prophet: '''Complete'''
* Balance of Goods: '''Complete'''
* Freeman: '''Complete'''
* Promotion: '''Complete'''

''Critic'': Art tests judgings

''Souls'': Long marriages

''Chains'': Long marriages with lots of passes

''Reason'': Thought puzzles

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-10-26T18:41:44Z

Sedjet:

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|Sage
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|Worship
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''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-10-26T18:41:22Z

Sedjet:

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|Sage
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|Harmony
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|Leadership
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|Thought
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|Worship
|X
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''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/HarmTests

2017-09-29T18:30:42Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Prophet: '''Complete'''
* Balance of Goods: '''Complete'''
* Freeman: '''Complete'''
* Promotion: ''Principle''

''Promotion'': People with lots of passes

''Critic'': Art tests judgings

''Souls'': Long marriages

''Chains'': Long marriages with lots of passes

''Reason'': Thought puzzles

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-29T18:30:00Z

Sedjet:

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|Initiate
|Student
|Prentice
|Journeyman
|Scribe
|Master
|Sage
|Oracle
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|Harmony
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|Leadership
|X
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|X
|X
|X
|X
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|Thought
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|Worship
|X
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''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-09-22T02:22:01Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide Otters]]

Oracle materials list:

Beetle
* 2 [[requires::Mud Granite]]
* 2 [[requires::Small Ruby]]
* 10 [[requires::Concrete]]
* 20 [[requires::Clay]]
* 12 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 5 [[requires::Paint]] of each of two colors.

Raeli Mosaic:
* 2 [[requires::Sheet Glass]]
* [[requires::Steel Wire]]
** 425 for Oracle complexity (31x31 grid)
** 250 for Sage complexity
** 125 for Master complexity
** 50 for Scribe complexity
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy White Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy Blonde Boards]]
* 1 [[requires::Carpentry Blade]], 3500+ [[Quality]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Emerald]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
* 350 [[requires::Paint|Yellowish Paint]]
* 250 [[requires::Paint|Spring Green Paint]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Pale Violet Red Paint]]

Formal Garden:

* 500 Deep Sky Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Dark Red [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Forest Green [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Slate Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 25 Navajo White [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Tomato [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 500 Violet [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 1500 [[requires::Bricks]] for the foundation
* 400 [[requires::Gold Foil]] for Decorative Inlay
* 10 [[requires::Gold Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 10 [[requires::Silver Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 3000 [[requires::Nails]] to Secure the Boards
* 600 [[requires::Treated Boards|NonToxic Rotproof Termite Resistant Boards]] to protect the base
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White Glossy Boards]]
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|Black Glossy Boards]]
* 150 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard Rigid Rotproof Boards]] as central support
* 3 [[requires::Quill]]s for Record Keeping
* 20 [[requires::Ink]] for Record Keeping
* 200 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]] for Record Keeping

*4 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*10 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Flight:
Built within a [[Small Construction Site]] (1 Canvas, 4 Rope)
*45 [[requires::Steel Sheeting]] (Housing)
*40 White [[requires::Treated Boards]] (Glider Airframe)
*150 [[requires::Raeli Tiles]] of any color (Protects the mechanism)
*200 [[requires::Concrete]] (Base)
*1 [[requires::Iron Medium Gears]] (Launch Mechanism)
*20 [[requires::Steel Wire]] (Springs, Glider Airframe)
*1 [[requires::Silk Cloth]] (Glider Skin)

Upgrades:
Each additional glider costs:
*10 [[Steel Wire]]
*40 Pliable, White boards
* 1 [[Silk Cloth]]
Notes: 
- ''You will need 1 additional glider to complete the principals. The maximum number of gliders you can have is 5.'' 
- ''The boards must all be the exact same stats - for example, you can't use 30 Pliable, White and 10 Pliable, Soft, White.'' 

To add smoke:
*100 [[requires::Gunpowder]]

To add colors to smoke:
* 7 [[requires:: Metal Salts|salts]] of each of the 15 metals:
** Aluminum
** Antimony
** Copper
** Gold
** Iron
** Lead
** Lithium
** Magnesium
** Platinum
** Silver
** Strontium
** Tin
** Titanium
** Tungsten
** Zinc

Prismatic Opticon:
*21 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
*210 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
*210 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*7 [[requires::Mirror]]
*1 [[requires::Large Topaz]]
*1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
*98 [[requires::Bearings]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Ra's Lantern Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Hile's Chevrons Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Bastet Sunstone]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Amanti Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Choronzon Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Khufu's Ship Jade]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Appolonia Garnet]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Full Eye (Any)]]
*1 or more random 1-output [[Gearbox]] (see Running the Opticon section below.)

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

Dancing Waters:
Built in a [[Small Construction Site]].

* 200 [[requires::Cut Stone]]s to lower water table
* 100 [[requires::Concrete]] for basic mechanism
* 40 [[requires::Glass Pipe]]s for delicate control
* 2 [[requires::Copper Pipe]]s for main inflow and outflow
* 1 random 3-output [[requires::gearbox]]

Plus pools (see DW page).

Windsong:
Chime Tower construction cost (10x16 inside a Compound):

* 25 [[Copper Wire]]
* 15 [[Steel Wire]]
* 4 [[Iron Bar]]
* 12 [[Cut Stone]]
* 50 [[Concrete]]
* 105 [[Paint|Blue Violet Paint]]
* 105 [[Paint|Crimson Paint]]
* 150 [[Paint|Dark Slate Gray Paint]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Turquoise]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Garnet]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Amethyst]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Lapis]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Appolonia|Appolonia of any type]]

Pathmaker:
* 300 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
* 2 [[requires::Huge Diamond]]
* 12 [[requires::Medium Topaz]]
* 60 [[requires::Silver Wire]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Hexas Plate|Cut Amethyst: Hexas Plate]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Looking Glass|Cut Jade: Looking Glass]]
* 2 [[requires::Cut Gems#Symmetry|Cut Turquoise: Symmetry]]
* 1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Cut Citrine: Dragyn's Eye]]

Built in a [[Small Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

Venery:
* 100 [[requires::Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Amethyst]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Lapis]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Turquoise]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Garnet]]
* 7 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
* 7 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 7 [[requires::Copper]]
* 14 [[requires::Brass Small Gears]]

This will give you 7 Simple Lockboxes.

Bijou:
*12 [[requires::Brass Small Gear]]
*60 [[requires::Rope]]
*6 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*24 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*6 [[requires::White Sand]]
*1 [[requires::Hornet's Wing Granite]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Turquoise]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Amethyst]]

ToI:
*Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]]
**120 [[requires::Limestone]]
**50 [[requires::Gold Foil]]
**10 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
**100 [[requires::Paint|Gold Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Maroon Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Yellow Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Sky Blue Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Midnight Blue Paint]]
**300 [[requires::Boards]]
**100 [[requires::Nails]]
**120 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Pulse:
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White pliable boards]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|White raeli tiles]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|Black raeli tiles]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Green paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Paint|Blue paint]]
* 50 [[requires::Paint|Purple paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 2 [[requires::Silk Cloth]]
* 300 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]
* 200 [[requires::Ink]]

Empty Hand:
Built in a [[Medium Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

Cost to build the tower
*100 [[requires::Papyrus Paper|Papyrus Paper for bookkeeping]]
*10 [[requires::Ink|Ink for bookkeeping]]
*1000 [[requires::Concrete|Concrete for foundation]]
*20 [[requires::Clay Lamp|Clay Lamps to hold oil lights]]
*100 [[requires::Cut Stone|Cut Stone for structure]]
*10 [[requires::Copper Sheeting|Copper Sheeting for Roof]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Rotproof boards for entry truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Rigid Rotproof boards for storage truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard but pliable boards for impact frame]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Termite Resistant boards for base]]
*100 [[requires::Steel Cable|Steel Cable for the Crane]]
*5000 [[requires::Oil|Oil for lubrication reservoir]]
*1000 [[requires::Leather|Leather for cable tracks]]
*250 [[requires::Rope|Rope for secondary mechanics]]
*25 [[requires::Iron Bar|Iron bars for superstructure]]
*75 [[requires::Zinc|Pure Zinc as protective coating]] (This just needs Metal:Zinc, it does not need to be treated)

Cost for each block upgrade (4 minimum)
Select Configure > Modify with an additional block...

*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*24 [[requires::Bearings]]
*4 [[requires::Canvas]]
*4 [[requires::Cut Gems]] Eyelet, any type
*4 [[requires::Bolts]]
*8 [[requires::Washers]]
*1 random [[requires::Gearbox]], up to 3-output (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-09-22T02:20:16Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide Otters]]

Oracle materials list:

Beetle
* 2 [[requires::Mud Granite]]
* 2 [[requires::Small Ruby]]
* 10 [[requires::Concrete]]
* 20 [[requires::Clay]]
* 12 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 5 [[requires::Paint]] of each of two colors.

Raeli Mosaic:
* 2 [[requires::Sheet Glass]]
* [[requires::Steel Wire]]
** 425 for Oracle complexity (31x31 grid)
** 250 for Sage complexity
** 125 for Master complexity
** 50 for Scribe complexity
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy White Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy Blonde Boards]]
* 1 [[requires::Carpentry Blade]], 3500+ [[Quality]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Emerald]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
* 350 [[requires::Paint|Yellowish Paint]]
* 250 [[requires::Paint|Spring Green Paint]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Pale Violet Red Paint]]

Formal Garden:

* 500 Deep Sky Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Dark Red [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Forest Green [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Slate Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 25 Navajo White [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Tomato [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 500 Violet [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 1500 [[requires::Bricks]] for the foundation
* 400 [[requires::Gold Foil]] for Decorative Inlay
* 10 [[requires::Gold Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 10 [[requires::Silver Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 3000 [[requires::Nails]] to Secure the Boards
* 600 [[requires::Treated Boards|NonToxic Rotproof Termite Resistant Boards]] to protect the base
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White Glossy Boards]]
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|Black Glossy Boards]]
* 150 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard Rigid Rotproof Boards]] as central support
* 3 [[requires::Quill]]s for Record Keeping
* 20 [[requires::Ink]] for Record Keeping
* 200 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]] for Record Keeping

*4 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*10 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Flight:
Built within a [[Small Construction Site]] (1 Canvas, 4 Rope)
*45 [[requires::Steel Sheeting]] (Housing)
*40 White [[requires::Treated Boards]] (Glider Airframe)
*150 [[requires::Raeli Tiles]] of any color (Protects the mechanism)
*200 [[requires::Concrete]] (Base)
*1 [[requires::Iron Medium Gears]] (Launch Mechanism)
*20 [[requires::Steel Wire]] (Springs, Glider Airframe)
*1 [[requires::Silk Cloth]] (Glider Skin)

Upgrades:
Each additional glider costs:
*10 [[Steel Wire]]
*40 Pliable, White boards
* 1 [[Silk Cloth]]
Notes: 
- ''You will need 1 additional glider to complete the principals. The maximum number of gliders you can have is 5.'' 
- ''The boards must all be the exact same stats - for example, you can't use 30 Pliable, White and 10 Pliable, Soft, White.'' 

To add smoke:
*100 [[requires::Gunpowder]]

To add colors to smoke:
* 7 [[requires:: Metal Salts|salts]] of each of the 15 metals:
** Aluminum
** Antimony
** Copper
** Gold
** Iron
** Lead
** Lithium
** Magnesium
** Platinum
** Silver
** Strontium
** Tin
** Titanium
** Tungsten
** Zinc

Prismatic Opticon:
*21 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
*210 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
*210 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*7 [[requires::Mirror]]
*1 [[requires::Large Topaz]]
*1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
*98 [[requires::Bearings]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Ra's Lantern Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Hile's Chevrons Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Bastet Sunstone]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Amanti Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Choronzon Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Khufu's Ship Jade]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Appolonia Garnet]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Full Eye (Any)]]
*1 or more random 1-output [[Gearbox]] (see Running the Opticon section below.)

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

Dancing Waters:
Built in a [[Small Construction Site]].

* 200 [[requires::Cut Stone]]s to lower water table
* 100 [[requires::Concrete]] for basic mechanism
* 40 [[requires::Glass Pipe]]s for delicate control
* 2 [[requires::Copper Pipe]]s for main inflow and outflow
* 1 random 3-output [[requires::gearbox]]

Plus pools (see DW page).

Windsong:
Chime Tower construction cost (10x16 inside a Compound):

* 25 [[Copper Wire]]
* 15 [[Steel Wire]]
* 4 [[Iron Bar]]
* 12 [[Cut Stone]]
* 50 [[Concrete]]
* 105 [[Paint|Blue Violet Paint]]
* 105 [[Paint|Crimson Paint]]
* 150 [[Paint|Dark Slate Gray Paint]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Turquoise]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Garnet]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Amethyst]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Lapis]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Appolonia|Appolonia of any type]]

Pathmaker:
* 300 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
* 2 [[requires::Huge Diamond]]
* 12 [[requires::Medium Topaz]]
* 60 [[requires::Silver Wire]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Hexas Plate|Cut Amethyst: Hexas Plate]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Looking Glass|Cut Jade: Looking Glass]]
* 2 [[requires::Cut Gems#Symmetry|Cut Turquoise: Symmetry]]
* 1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Cut Citrine: Dragyn's Eye]]

Built in a [[Small Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

Venery:
* 100 [[requires::Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Amethyst]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Lapis]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Turquoise]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Garnet]]
* 7 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
* 7 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 7 [[requires::Copper]]
* 14 [[requires::Brass Small Gears]]

This will give you 7 Simple Lockboxes.

Bijou:
*12 [[requires::Brass Small Gear]]
*60 [[requires::Rope]]
*6 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*24 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*6 [[requires::White Sand]]
*1 [[requires::Hornet's Wing Granite]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Turquoise]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Amethyst]]

ToI:
*Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]]
**120 [[requires::Limestone]]
**50 [[requires::Gold Foil]]
**10 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
**100 [[requires::Paint|Gold Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Maroon Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Yellow Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Sky Blue Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Midnight Blue Paint]]
**300 [[requires::Boards]]
**100 [[requires::Nails]]
**120 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Pulse:
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White pliable boards]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|White raeli tiles]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|Black raeli tiles]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Green paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Paint|Blue paint]]
* 50 [[requires::Paint|Purple paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 2 [[requires::Silk Cloth]]
* 300 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]
* 200 [[requires::Ink]]

Empty Hand:
Built in a [[Medium Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

=== Cost to build the tower ===
*100 [[requires::Papyrus Paper|Papyrus Paper for bookkeeping]]
*10 [[requires::Ink|Ink for bookkeeping]]
*1000 [[requires::Concrete|Concrete for foundation]]
*20 [[requires::Clay Lamp|Clay Lamps to hold oil lights]]
*100 [[requires::Cut Stone|Cut Stone for structure]]
*10 [[requires::Copper Sheeting|Copper Sheeting for Roof]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Rotproof boards for entry truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Rigid Rotproof boards for storage truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard but pliable boards for impact frame]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Termite Resistant boards for base]]
*100 [[requires::Steel Cable|Steel Cable for the Crane]]
*5000 [[requires::Oil|Oil for lubrication reservoir]]
*1000 [[requires::Leather|Leather for cable tracks]]
*250 [[requires::Rope|Rope for secondary mechanics]]
*25 [[requires::Iron Bar|Iron bars for superstructure]]
*75 [[requires::Zinc|Pure Zinc as protective coating]] (This just needs Metal:Zinc, it does not need to be treated)

=== Cost for each block upgrade (4 minimum)===
Select Configure > Modify with an additional block...

*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*24 [[requires::Bearings]]
*4 [[requires::Canvas]]
*4 [[requires::Cut Gems]] Eyelet, any type
*4 [[requires::Bolts]]
*8 [[requires::Washers]]
*1 random [[requires::Gearbox]], up to 3-output (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-09-22T02:18:17Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide Otters]]

Oracle materials list:

Beetle
* 2 [[requires::Mud Granite]]
* 2 [[requires::Small Ruby]]
* 10 [[requires::Concrete]]
* 20 [[requires::Clay]]
* 12 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 5 [[requires::Paint]] of each of two colors.

Raeli Mosaic:
* 2 [[requires::Sheet Glass]]
* [[requires::Steel Wire]]
** 425 for Oracle complexity (31x31 grid)
** 250 for Sage complexity
** 125 for Master complexity
** 50 for Scribe complexity
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy White Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Treated Boards|Glossy Blonde Boards]]
* 1 [[requires::Carpentry Blade]], 3500+ [[Quality]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Emerald]]
* 1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
* 350 [[requires::Paint|Yellowish Paint]]
* 250 [[requires::Paint|Spring Green Paint]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Pale Violet Red Paint]]

Formal Garden:

* 500 Deep Sky Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Dark Red [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Forest Green [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 250 Slate Blue [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 25 Navajo White [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 350 Tomato [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 500 Violet [[requires::Paint|Paint]]
* 1500 [[requires::Bricks]] for the foundation
* 400 [[requires::Gold Foil]] for Decorative Inlay
* 10 [[requires::Gold Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 10 [[requires::Silver Bars]] for Decorative Edging
* 3000 [[requires::Nails]] to Secure the Boards
* 600 [[requires::Treated Boards|NonToxic Rotproof Termite Resistant Boards]] to protect the base
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White Glossy Boards]]
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|Black Glossy Boards]]
* 150 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard Rigid Rotproof Boards]] as central support
* 3 [[requires::Quill]]s for Record Keeping
* 20 [[requires::Ink]] for Record Keeping
* 200 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]] for Record Keeping

*4 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*10 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Flight:
Built within a [[Small Construction Site]] (1 Canvas, 4 Rope)
*45 [[requires::Steel Sheeting]] (Housing)
*40 White [[requires::Treated Boards]] (Glider Airframe)
*150 [[requires::Raeli Tiles]] of any color (Protects the mechanism)
*200 [[requires::Concrete]] (Base)
*1 [[requires::Iron Medium Gears]] (Launch Mechanism)
*20 [[requires::Steel Wire]] (Springs, Glider Airframe)
*1 [[requires::Silk Cloth]] (Glider Skin)

===Upgrades:===
Each additional glider costs:
*10 [[Steel Wire]]
*40 Pliable, White boards
* 1 [[Silk Cloth]]
Notes: 
- ''You will need 1 additional glider to complete the principals. The maximum number of gliders you can have is 5.'' 
- ''The boards must all be the exact same stats - for example, you can't use 30 Pliable, White and 10 Pliable, Soft, White.'' 

===To add smoke:===
*100 [[requires::Gunpowder]]

===To add colors to smoke:===
* 7 [[requires:: Metal Salts|salts]] of each of the 15 metals:
** Aluminum
** Antimony
** Copper
** Gold
** Iron
** Lead
** Lithium
** Magnesium
** Platinum
** Silver
** Strontium
** Tin
** Titanium
** Tungsten
** Zinc

Prismatic Opticon:
*21 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
*210 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
*210 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*7 [[requires::Mirror]]
*1 [[requires::Large Topaz]]
*1 [[requires::Large Ruby]]
*98 [[requires::Bearings]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Ra's Lantern Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Hile's Chevrons Sunstone]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Bastet Sunstone]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Amanti Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Choronzon Jade]]
*2 [[requires::Cut Gems|Khufu's Ship Jade]]
*3 [[requires::Cut Gems|Appolonia Garnet]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems|Full Eye (Any)]]
*1 or more random 1-output [[Gearbox]] (see Running the Opticon section below.)

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

Dancing Waters:
Built in a [[Small Construction Site]].

* 200 [[requires::Cut Stone]]s to lower water table
* 100 [[requires::Concrete]] for basic mechanism
* 40 [[requires::Glass Pipe]]s for delicate control
* 2 [[requires::Copper Pipe]]s for main inflow and outflow
* 1 random 3-output [[requires::gearbox]]

Plus pools (see DW page).

Windsong:
Chime Tower construction cost (10x16 inside a Compound):

* 25 [[Copper Wire]]
* 15 [[Steel Wire]]
* 4 [[Iron Bar]]
* 12 [[Cut Stone]]
* 50 [[Concrete]]
* 105 [[Paint|Blue Violet Paint]]
* 105 [[Paint|Crimson Paint]]
* 150 [[Paint|Dark Slate Gray Paint]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Turquoise]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Amanti|Amanti Garnet]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Amethyst]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Dragyn's Eye Lapis]]
* 1 [[Cut Gems#Appolonia|Appolonia of any type]]

Pathmaker:
* 300 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
* 2 [[requires::Huge Diamond]]
* 12 [[requires::Medium Topaz]]
* 60 [[requires::Silver Wire]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Hexas Plate|Cut Amethyst: Hexas Plate]]
* 3 [[requires::Cut Gems#Looking Glass|Cut Jade: Looking Glass]]
* 2 [[requires::Cut Gems#Symmetry|Cut Turquoise: Symmetry]]
* 1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Dragyn's Eye|Cut Citrine: Dragyn's Eye]]

Built in a [[Small Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

Venery:
* 100 [[requires::Boards]]
* 250 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]].

* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Amethyst]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Lapis]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Turquoise]]
* 7 [[Cut Gems#Eyelet|Eyelet cut Garnet]]
* 7 [[requires::Fine Glass Rods]]
* 7 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 7 [[requires::Copper]]
* 14 [[requires::Brass Small Gears]]

This will give you 7 Simple Lockboxes.

Bijou:
*12 [[requires::Brass Small Gear]]
*60 [[requires::Rope]]
*6 [[requires::Cut Stone]]
*24 [[requires::Steel Wire]]
*6 [[requires::White Sand]]
*1 [[requires::Hornet's Wing Granite]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Turquoise]]
*1 [[requires::Cut Gems#Queen's Tomb|Queen's Tomb Amethyst]]

ToI:
*Built in a [[requires::Small Construction Site]]
**120 [[requires::Limestone]]
**50 [[requires::Gold Foil]]
**10 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
**100 [[requires::Paint|Gold Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Maroon Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Yellow Paint]]
**200 [[requires::Paint|Sky Blue Paint]]
**50 [[requires::Paint|Midnight Blue Paint]]
**300 [[requires::Boards]]
**100 [[requires::Nails]]
**120 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]

Pulse:
* 300 [[requires::Treated Boards|White pliable boards]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|White raeli tiles]]
* 1000 [[requires::Raeli Tiles|Black raeli tiles]]
* 150 [[requires::Paint|Green paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Paint|Blue paint]]
* 50 [[requires::Paint|Purple paint]]
* 100 [[requires::Gold Wire]]
* 2 [[requires::Silk Cloth]]
* 300 [[requires::Papyrus Paper]]
* 200 [[requires::Ink]]

Empty Hand:
Built in a [[Medium Construction Site]] Under Test Menu

=== Cost to build the tower ===
*100 [[requires::Papyrus Paper|Papyrus Paper for bookkeeping]]
*10 [[requires::Ink|Ink for bookkeeping]]
*1000 [[requires::Concrete|Concrete for foundation]]
*20 [[requires::Clay Lamp|Clay Lamps to hold oil lights]]
*100 [[requires::Cut Stone|Cut Stone for structure]]
*10 [[requires::Copper Sheeting|Copper Sheeting for Roof]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Rotproof boards for entry truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Rigid Rotproof boards for storage truss]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Hard but pliable boards for impact frame]]
*600 [[requires::Treated Boards|Pliable Termite Resistant boards for base]]
*100 [[requires::Steel Cable|Steel Cable for the Crane]]
*5000 [[requires::Oil|Oil for lubrication reservoir]]
*1000 [[requires::Leather|Leather for cable tracks]]
*250 [[requires::Rope|Rope for secondary mechanics]]
*25 [[requires::Iron Bar|Iron bars for superstructure]]
*75 [[requires::Zinc|Pure Zinc as protective coating]] (This just needs Metal:Zinc, it does not need to be treated)

=== Cost for each block upgrade (4 minimum)===
Select Configure > Modify with an additional block...

*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*4 random [[requires::Decorative Stone]] (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)
*24 [[requires::Bearings]]
*4 [[requires::Canvas]]
*4 [[requires::Cut Gems]] Eyelet, any type
*4 [[requires::Bolts]]
*8 [[requires::Washers]]
*1 random [[requires::Gearbox]], up to 3-output (it will tell you once you choose to modify the block)

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-09-21T21:30:55Z

Sedjet:

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-09-20T03:01:47Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide Otters]]

Oracle materials list:

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-20T00:42:54Z

Sedjet:

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|Student
|Prentice
|Journeyman
|Scribe
|Master
|Sage
|Oracle
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|Architecture
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
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|Art
|X
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|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|Body
|X
|X
|X
|x
|x
|x
|
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|-
|Harmony
|X
|X
|X
|x
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|
|
|
|-
|Leadership
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|x
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|Thought
|X
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|
|
|
|
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|
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|Worship
|X
|X
|X
|X
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|
|
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|}

''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/HarmTests

2017-09-20T00:42:41Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Prophet: '''Complete'''
* Balance of Goods: '''Complete'''
* Promotion: ''Principle''

''Promotion'': People with lots of passes

''Critic'': Art tests judgings

''Souls'': Long marriages

''Chains'': Long marriages with lots of passes

''Reason'': Thought puzzles

User:Sedjet/HarmTests

2017-09-14T19:02:09Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Prophet: '''Complete'''
* Promotion: ''Principle''

''Promotion'': People with lots of passes

''Balance of Goods'': Underway

''Critic'': Art tests judgings

''Souls'': Long marriages

''Chains'': Long marriages with lots of passes

''Reason'': Thought puzzles

User:Sedjet/WorTests

2017-09-13T15:33:32Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: '''Complete'''
* Vigil: '''Complete'''
* Pilgrim: '''Complete'''
* Visions: '''Complete'''

''Leavened Bread''

''Messenger''

''Mummy''

''Humble Priests''

User:Sedjet/ThotTests

2017-09-13T15:32:08Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: '''Complete'''

''Empty Hand''

''Pathmaker''

''ToI''

''Pulse''

''Constellation''

''Sphinx'' (SE)

''Venery''

User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-09-13T15:30:18Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''
* Hegemon: '''Complete'''
* Patronage: '''Complete'''

''DP'': Gratz to Eugenius! Running next time!

''Kingmaker'': keep voting!

''Host'': plan party

User:Sedjet/HarmTests

2017-09-13T15:29:54Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Prophet: '''Complete'''
* Promotion: ''Principle''

''Promotion'': People with lots of passes

''Balance of Goods''

''Critic'': Art tests judgings

''Souls'': Long marriages

''Chains'': Long marriages with lots of passes

''Reason'': Thought puzzles

User:Sedjet/BodyTests

2017-09-13T15:26:32Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Acrobat: ''Principle''
* Bedouin: ''Principle''
* Cicada: '''Complete'''
* Darkest Night: ''Principle''
* Archaeologist: '''Complete'''

''RT'': Powdered gems, use chem lab at GVF. Trade out list in RP.

''Safari'': Keep boards, etc on person while running around.

''Acro'': Pester people.

''DN'': Keep shroomin.

''Bedouin'': Sap!

''Banquet'': Get beer to 49 and start/ couple with Host?

User:Sedjet/ArtTests

2017-09-13T15:24:35Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: '''Complete'''

''Beetles''

''Opticon''

''Garden''

''Flight''

''Mosaic''

''Waters''

User:Sedjet/WorTests

2017-09-12T18:42:35Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: '''Complete'''
* Vigil: '''Complete'''
* Pilgrim: '''Complete'''
* Visions: '''Complete'''

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-12T18:42:12Z

Sedjet:

{| border="1"
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|Initiate
|Student
|Prentice
|Journeyman
|Scribe
|Master
|Sage
|Oracle
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|Architecture
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|-
|Art
|X
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|Body
|X
|X
|X
|x
|x
|x
|
|
|-
|Harmony
|X
|X
|x
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|Leadership
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|x
|
|-
|Thought
|X
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|Worship
|X
|X
|X
|X
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|
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|}

''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-09-12T00:07:09Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''
* Hegemon: '''Complete'''
* Patronage: '''Complete'''

DP: Gratz to Eugenius! Running next time!

Kingmaker: keep voting!

Host: plan party

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-11T21:40:30Z

Sedjet:

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|Student
|Prentice
|Journeyman
|Scribe
|Master
|Sage
|Oracle
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|Architecture
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|-
|Art
|X
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|Body
|X
|X
|X
|x
|x
|x
|
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|-
|Harmony
|X
|X
|x
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|Leadership
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|X
|x
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|Thought
|X
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|Worship
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''Note: Thanks to Aereon and Beren for the template of this page''

User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-09-11T21:40:12Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''
* Hegemon: '''Complete'''
* Patronage: '''Complete'''

DP: Gratz to Eugenius! Running next time!

Kingmaker: keep voting!

Pirates: sign up tonight, make sure of ship mats

User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-09-06T21:53:00Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''
* Hegemon: '''Complete'''

DP: Final round voting (good luck)

Kingmaker: keep voting!

Pirates: sign up tonight, make sure of ship mats

Patronage: check with Kaa

User:Sedjet/BodyTests

2017-09-06T21:47:14Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Acrobat: ''Principle''
* Bedouin: ''Principle''
* Cicada: '''Complete'''
* Darkest Night: ''Principle''
* Archaeologist: '''Complete'''

RT: Powdered gems, use chem lab at GVF. Trade out list in RP.

Safari: Keep boards, etc on person while running around.

Acro: Pester people.

User:Sedjet/T8

2017-09-05T02:24:53Z

Sedjet:

*Citizenship Mats Needed
**100 slate
**150 wood
**60 grass
**80 mud
**26 sand
**60 thorns
**41 flax from seed

To accomplish these tasks, you will need to collect the following materials. (Some of the amounts vary depending on the breakage rate of your [[Wood Plane|plane]] and [[Flimsy Brick Rack|brick rack]].)
* 45 to 50 [[Slate]]
** Fashion all but 11 into [[Stone Blade]]s
* 52 to 60 [[Wood]]
** Plane all but 10 into [[Boards]]
* 41 [[Flax]]
** Rot 21 into [[Rotten Flax]]
* 23 [[Sand]] (for 136 [[Bricks]])
* 46 [[Grass]] dried into [[Straw]] (for 136 [[Bricks]])
* 69 [[Mud]] (for 136 [[Bricks]])
* 60 [[Thorns]]

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*Oracle Plans
**Arch
**Body?
**Worship?

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*Research Plans
**Organize research in whatever area we settle in

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*Settlement Plans
**Keep in touch with Donk about guild area
**zFree?

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Mega

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Compound Planning

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Skills/Techs

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http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Research/Guide

Guilds/zFree/Zfree Tale 8 Planning

2017-09-05T02:22:46Z

Sedjet: /* In the beginning */

=Feedback=

In Tale 7 the zfree elders worked hard early on to set up '''zfree'''.
We expanded quickly and became a large guild of over 150 members!
The collaborative way that guild members work together is amazing, and has helped us be pretty successful.
Our guild has most importantly become a social hub for members to share being part of this unique community.

As we get close to the end of this tale we need to think about getting going again for Tale 8.
Your thoughts about what worked, and could be done better would be very welcome!

There are some starter questions below, to get things going, based around some key topics.
Feel free to add whatever else you think is needed.

''If you are not confident updating the wiki, please personal chat me <cate> or any of the zfree elders in game
and we can post your comments for you.''

= In the beginning =
1. '''In the beginning:''' the small group of founder elders used the initial 24 hours to scout for a location
and set about establishing the guild headquarters and initial compounds.

* Any thoughts about location next tale? Should we aim for somewhere closer or further out from the centre?

Any closer, and you may have problems with the size the guild buildings get.
Any further away, and it starts to get troublesome to get between guild and the centre.
I think the guild location was just right in tale 7. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* Camp layout - How can we better manage pollution and lag?

Camel Pens and Greenhouses - need to leave a bigger space, as we ran out and had to rebuild in tale 7.
Of note, we need to remember to keep space for drying straw, as that was an after-thought this tale.

Brick production, need to have it closer to mud and sand,
and further away from the trees in case pollution mechanism in tale 8 is similar to tale 7.

Glass production, need to be closer to sand (we had to get camp decoration to put some in during tale 7).

Space out the chemistry, rock, and cafe compounds a little more, as when small warehouses went up,
it started to get cramped very quickly.

Chemistry and Forges building needs to be bigger next time, as it ended up feeling claustrophobic in
the chemistry building, and the same-model Student and Master buildings being next to each other
caused confusion and costly mistakes.

Kitchens, tale 7 had two groups (MPs and everything else), tale 8 I suggest three groups
(one for sink/dex/end, one for other dishes, one for MPs)

When placing 'ponds', need to weigh up the benefits of having more watermines with the negative that
they impede getting between buildings easily.
Actually the watermines was placed long after the ponds went up. The ponds was not intended for more watermines. /McArine

Need to 'reserve' space near the flax houses to allow flax growing.

Space out the warehouses rather than having them all stacked next to each other
as it gets harder to quickly know exactly which warehouse you need.

Location of doors on compounds needs to be better considered, as we had problems this tale
with doors preventing proper expansion of buildings. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Flax Compound, the gins need to be next to the Steam Distaff (which then need to be next to Automatic Loom as they are now).
One full Steam Distaff can feed five Automatic Looms, so number of Looms need to be 5 (or 10)
Maybe a second compound for the automated flax, by the time these are released Cornerstones are aplenty. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Bees might need a more coherent structure, some are very closely packed, others are not in a coherent pattern from one to
the other causing some to be missed by some collectors. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Glass works needs to further away from main camp, as lag can affect the Glory Hole. [[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)
Not built on a hillside that prevents expansion, some people like lots of gloryholes
More space between Papyrus Tanks, and room to expand the numbers [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

* Do we grow slowly by invitation, or quickly and ask member to help provide the resources to make that possible?

Asking members to help has the effect of both helping the guild grow quickly
and help players feel like they are a big part of the guild [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It is my opinion that the guild grow quickly but in a two tiered system. 200 brick and 200 boards to expand the guild hall and
a yet to be determined amount to expand the compounds. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* How should we manage the membership and access equitably?

Monthly reviews of membership and promotion based on contribution and willingness to help out where needed.
I'd prefer a two level access system initially - Initiate: General Access and Patriarch: Reserved for Projects,
or something like that. Continue the Post Office system for those living in/ around camp to store more personal things.
[[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

I am with cate on a two tiered system and promotion. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* We are anticipating there will be lots of lovely players wanting to join us again next tale.
:How big should we aim to be?
:How do we go about getting stuff together fast enough to meet expectations?
:Do we have a 'joining contribution' again to cover guild expansion costs?
Having people contribute boards and bricks helps in the early part of the game
When full, keep one space free so that applications can continue to be taken
Keep applications open, players should not see a "Closed" sign. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It makes sense to increase guild size in blocks, as the cost is greater if done in smaller increments. I suggest
we look at the build costs at 30, 50, 80, 100, 120 and make a decision on what would be most efficient use of resources.
[[User:cate|cate]] 09:15, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

:Do we establish teams to focus in on the key priorities like animals, flax, bricks, metals?
From personal experience, in the past I wanted to help, but I couldn't just say "Yes,
I'll help do X building" because it would involve something I'm no good at (for example,
a building that needs a cut gem). As a result, I didn't get involved with it at all.
I had to wait until someone discussed making something I was good at, and I thought
"I can chip in there", and break the ice, help make some of the component parts, and find
that I'm now well and truly involved. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like that!

Someone might not mind making end products like nails and bars, but don't like
getting ores or not be able to make charcoal. Another player may love the challenge of
getting ore or found how to make lots of charcoal quickly and easily, but hate turning it
into metals. So to say "you're on the animals team, start building the farm" may not
necessarily be the best answer. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Research was shambolic at the beginning, with the RP Research guild kicking out players
and was led by people not around the whole tale, whereas zFree helped out both in-region
and other region research, maybe we need a zFree Research guild which only looks at
research, primarily in the region we settle in, and also to help other regions
as required? [[User:Silden|Silden]] 09:54, 29 August 2017 (EST)

Agree with Silden on the Research angle and would be willing to spearhead this. I adore research. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:03, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

* Did the guild purpose and guidelines affect your attitude towards being in the guild?

* How about the guild wiki? Was it useful?

May need to be a little more organised, be more willing to put details on sub-pages
instead of trying to cram it all into the main page. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* What should the role of the zfree elders be next tale?

= Mid-Tale =
In zfree this tale we started setting up specialist guilds to help coordinate the effort around specific tasks and tests, like 'zemples', zThrone, zBread, for example. We made decisions on projects to contribute towards releasing technologies for all Egyptians, like the Pyramids, and installing new and improved machines around camp for zfree members.

* How can we better involve guild members in the decisions about guild projects and enhancements?

* What keeps you logging in when the mid-tale doldrums start?

* Player-managed events can help motivate people stay tuned in, but need coordination.
: Which player events would you like to see more of?
: Would you like to see zfree take more of a proactive role in organizing player-managed events for Egypt?

* Mid tale is a good time to learn new skills. Tutorials in what topics would be of interest to you?

Gemcutting, please. I have been playing since T2 and still not figured it out. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 2016, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

*

....

= End-Tale =
We are anticipating playing a part in getting together materials for the monuments, as soon as they are released, and working collaboratively to undertake the work. Getting the monuments together and supporting the leaders to finalise them before tale end is pretty rewarding, particularly if we get involved in drafting and reviewing ideas for new tests for next Tale. This Tale has been unique because we have had a chance to review just about every test there has been. It is time to start thinking about the ones you like, and the sort of things you would like to be involved in next tale - even propose ideas for new tests.

* Monuments are fun! Which monuments should we support as a priority?

Architecture, Thought, Leadership and Art!! [[User:cate|cate]] 09:17, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

Body, Harmony, Worship!! [[User:Silden|Silden]] 04:36, 10 August 2017 (EST)

* Developing ideas for new tests to add to the monuments is challenging, but also rewarding. Do you have any ideas for new tests in any of the seven disciplines? Post links to user pages, for the detail!

I am working on an idea for an Arch test, but no details are posted as yet. I will link when I have that info congealed. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:11, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

* End of tale party - ideas, please!

tbc

Guilds/zFree/Zfree Tale 8 Planning

2017-09-05T01:16:37Z

Sedjet: /* Mid-Tale */

=Feedback=

In Tale 7 the zfree elders worked hard early on to set up '''zfree'''.
We expanded quickly and became a large guild of over 150 members!
The collaborative way that guild members work together is amazing, and has helped us be pretty successful.
Our guild has most importantly become a social hub for members to share being part of this unique community.

As we get close to the end of this tale we need to think about getting going again for Tale 8.
Your thoughts about what worked, and could be done better would be very welcome!

There are some starter questions below, to get things going, based around some key topics.
Feel free to add whatever else you think is needed.

''If you are not confident updating the wiki, please personal chat me <cate> or any of the zfree elders in game
and we can post your comments for you.''

= In the beginning =
1. '''In the beginning:''' the small group of founder elders used the initial 24 hours to scout for a location
and set about establishing the guild headquarters and initial compounds.

* Any thoughts about location next tale? Should we aim for somewhere closer or further out from the centre?

Any closer, and you may have problems with the size the guild buildings get.
Any further away, and it starts to get troublesome to get between guild and the centre.
I think the guild location was just right in tale 7. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* Camp layout - How can we better manage pollution and lag?

Camel Pens and Greenhouses - need to leave a bigger space, as we ran out and had to rebuild in tale 7.
Of note, we need to remember to keep space for drying straw, as that was an after-thought this tale.

Brick production, need to have it closer to mud and sand,
and further away from the trees in case pollution mechanism in tale 8 is similar to tale 7.

Glass production, need to be closer to sand (we had to get camp decoration to put some in during tale 7).

Space out the chemistry, rock, and cafe compounds a little more, as when small warehouses went up,
it started to get cramped very quickly.

Chemistry and Forges building needs to be bigger next time, as it ended up feeling claustrophobic in
the chemistry building, and the same-model Student and Master buildings being next to each other
caused confusion and costly mistakes.

Kitchens, tale 7 had two groups (MPs and everything else), tale 8 I suggest three groups
(one for sink/dex/end, one for other dishes, one for MPs)

When placing 'ponds', need to weigh up the benefits of having more watermines with the negative that
they impede getting between buildings easily.
Actually the watermines was placed long after the ponds went up. The ponds was not intended for more watermines. /McArine

Need to 'reserve' space near the flax houses to allow flax growing.

Space out the warehouses rather than having them all stacked next to each other
as it gets harder to quickly know exactly which warehouse you need.

Location of doors on compounds needs to be better considered, as we had problems this tale
with doors preventing proper expansion of buildings. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Flax Compound, the gins need to be next to the Steam Distaff (which then need to be next to Automatic Loom as they are now).
One full Steam Distaff can feed five Automatic Looms, so number of Looms need to be 5 (or 10)
Maybe a second compound for the automated flax, by the time these are released Cornerstones are aplenty. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Bees might need a more coherent structure, some are very closely packed, others are not in a coherent pattern from one to
the other causing some to be missed by some collectors. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Glass works needs to further away from main camp, as lag can affect the Glory Hole. [[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)
Not built on a hillside that prevents expansion, some people like lots of gloryholes
More space between Papyrus Tanks, and room to expand the numbers [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

* Do we grow slowly by invitation, or quickly and ask member to help provide the resources to make that possible?

Asking members to help has the effect of both helping the guild grow quickly
and help players feel like they are a big part of the guild [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It is my opinion that the guild grow quickly but in a two tiered system. 200 brick and 200 boards to expand the guild hall and
a yet to be determined amount to expand the compounds. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* How should we manage the membership and access equitably?

Monthly reviews of membership and promotion based on contribution and willingness to help out where needed.
I'd prefer a two level access system initially - Initiate: General Access and Patriarch: Reserved for Projects,
or something like that. Continue the Post Office system for those living in/ around camp to store more personal things.
[[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

I am with cate on a two tiered system and promotion. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* We are anticipating there will be lots of lovely players wanting to join us again next tale.
:How big should we aim to be?
:How do we go about getting stuff together fast enough to meet expectations?
:Do we have a 'joining contribution' again to cover guild expansion costs?
Having people contribute boards and bricks helps in the early part of the game
When full, keep one space free so that applications can continue to be taken
Keep applications open, players should not see a "Closed" sign. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It makes sense to increase guild size in blocks, as the cost is greater if done in smaller increments. I suggest
we look at the build costs at 30, 50, 80, 100, 120 and make a decision on what would be most efficient use of resources.
[[User:cate|cate]] 09:15, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

:Do we establish teams to focus in on the key priorities like animals, flax, bricks, metals?
From personal experience, in the past I wanted to help, but I couldn't just say "Yes,
I'll help do X building" because it would involve something I'm no good at (for example,
a building that needs a cut gem). As a result, I didn't get involved with it at all.
I had to wait until someone discussed making something I was good at, and I thought
"I can chip in there", and break the ice, help make some of the component parts, and find
that I'm now well and truly involved. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like that!

Someone might not mind making end products like nails and bars, but don't like
getting ores or not be able to make charcoal. Another player may love the challenge of
getting ore or found how to make lots of charcoal quickly and easily, but hate turning it
into metals. So to say "you're on the animals team, start building the farm" may not
necessarily be the best answer. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Research was shambolic at the beginning, with the RP Research guild kicking out players
and was led by people not around the whole tale, whereas zFree helped out both in-region
and other region research, maybe we need a zFree Research guild which only looks at
research, primarily in the region we settle in, and also to help other regions
as required? [[User:Silden|Silden]] 09:54, 29 August 2017 (EST)

Agree with Silden on the Research angle and would be willing to spearhead this. I adore research. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:03, 4 Sept 2017 9CST)

* Did the guild purpose and guidelines affect your attitude towards being in the guild?

* How about the guild wiki? Was it useful?

May need to be a little more organised, be more willing to put details on sub-pages
instead of trying to cram it all into the main page. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* What should the role of the zfree elders be next tale?

= Mid-Tale =
In zfree this tale we started setting up specialist guilds to help coordinate the effort around specific tasks and tests, like 'zemples', zThrone, zBread, for example. We made decisions on projects to contribute towards releasing technologies for all Egyptians, like the Pyramids, and installing new and improved machines around camp for zfree members.

* How can we better involve guild members in the decisions about guild projects and enhancements?

* What keeps you logging in when the mid-tale doldrums start?

* Player-managed events can help motivate people stay tuned in, but need coordination.
: Which player events would you like to see more of?
: Would you like to see zfree take more of a proactive role in organizing player-managed events for Egypt?

* Mid tale is a good time to learn new skills. Tutorials in what topics would be of interest to you?

Gemcutting, please. I have been playing since T2 and still not figured it out. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 2016, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

*

....

= End-Tale =
We are anticipating playing a part in getting together materials for the monuments, as soon as they are released, and working collaboratively to undertake the work. Getting the monuments together and supporting the leaders to finalise them before tale end is pretty rewarding, particularly if we get involved in drafting and reviewing ideas for new tests for next Tale. This Tale has been unique because we have had a chance to review just about every test there has been. It is time to start thinking about the ones you like, and the sort of things you would like to be involved in next tale - even propose ideas for new tests.

* Monuments are fun! Which monuments should we support as a priority?

Architecture, Thought, Leadership and Art!! [[User:cate|cate]] 09:17, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

Body, Harmony, Worship!! [[User:Silden|Silden]] 04:36, 10 August 2017 (EST)

* Developing ideas for new tests to add to the monuments is challenging, but also rewarding. Do you have any ideas for new tests in any of the seven disciplines? Post links to user pages, for the detail!

I am working on an idea for an Arch test, but no details are posted as yet. I will link when I have that info congealed. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:11, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

* End of tale party - ideas, please!

tbc

Guilds/zFree/Zfree Tale 8 Planning

2017-09-05T01:15:12Z

Sedjet: /* End-Tale */

=Feedback=

In Tale 7 the zfree elders worked hard early on to set up '''zfree'''.
We expanded quickly and became a large guild of over 150 members!
The collaborative way that guild members work together is amazing, and has helped us be pretty successful.
Our guild has most importantly become a social hub for members to share being part of this unique community.

As we get close to the end of this tale we need to think about getting going again for Tale 8.
Your thoughts about what worked, and could be done better would be very welcome!

There are some starter questions below, to get things going, based around some key topics.
Feel free to add whatever else you think is needed.

''If you are not confident updating the wiki, please personal chat me <cate> or any of the zfree elders in game
and we can post your comments for you.''

= In the beginning =
1. '''In the beginning:''' the small group of founder elders used the initial 24 hours to scout for a location
and set about establishing the guild headquarters and initial compounds.

* Any thoughts about location next tale? Should we aim for somewhere closer or further out from the centre?

Any closer, and you may have problems with the size the guild buildings get.
Any further away, and it starts to get troublesome to get between guild and the centre.
I think the guild location was just right in tale 7. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* Camp layout - How can we better manage pollution and lag?

Camel Pens and Greenhouses - need to leave a bigger space, as we ran out and had to rebuild in tale 7.
Of note, we need to remember to keep space for drying straw, as that was an after-thought this tale.

Brick production, need to have it closer to mud and sand,
and further away from the trees in case pollution mechanism in tale 8 is similar to tale 7.

Glass production, need to be closer to sand (we had to get camp decoration to put some in during tale 7).

Space out the chemistry, rock, and cafe compounds a little more, as when small warehouses went up,
it started to get cramped very quickly.

Chemistry and Forges building needs to be bigger next time, as it ended up feeling claustrophobic in
the chemistry building, and the same-model Student and Master buildings being next to each other
caused confusion and costly mistakes.

Kitchens, tale 7 had two groups (MPs and everything else), tale 8 I suggest three groups
(one for sink/dex/end, one for other dishes, one for MPs)

When placing 'ponds', need to weigh up the benefits of having more watermines with the negative that
they impede getting between buildings easily.
Actually the watermines was placed long after the ponds went up. The ponds was not intended for more watermines. /McArine

Need to 'reserve' space near the flax houses to allow flax growing.

Space out the warehouses rather than having them all stacked next to each other
as it gets harder to quickly know exactly which warehouse you need.

Location of doors on compounds needs to be better considered, as we had problems this tale
with doors preventing proper expansion of buildings. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Flax Compound, the gins need to be next to the Steam Distaff (which then need to be next to Automatic Loom as they are now).
One full Steam Distaff can feed five Automatic Looms, so number of Looms need to be 5 (or 10)
Maybe a second compound for the automated flax, by the time these are released Cornerstones are aplenty. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Bees might need a more coherent structure, some are very closely packed, others are not in a coherent pattern from one to
the other causing some to be missed by some collectors. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Glass works needs to further away from main camp, as lag can affect the Glory Hole. [[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)
Not built on a hillside that prevents expansion, some people like lots of gloryholes
More space between Papyrus Tanks, and room to expand the numbers [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

* Do we grow slowly by invitation, or quickly and ask member to help provide the resources to make that possible?

Asking members to help has the effect of both helping the guild grow quickly
and help players feel like they are a big part of the guild [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It is my opinion that the guild grow quickly but in a two tiered system. 200 brick and 200 boards to expand the guild hall and
a yet to be determined amount to expand the compounds. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* How should we manage the membership and access equitably?

Monthly reviews of membership and promotion based on contribution and willingness to help out where needed.
I'd prefer a two level access system initially - Initiate: General Access and Patriarch: Reserved for Projects,
or something like that. Continue the Post Office system for those living in/ around camp to store more personal things.
[[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

I am with cate on a two tiered system and promotion. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* We are anticipating there will be lots of lovely players wanting to join us again next tale.
:How big should we aim to be?
:How do we go about getting stuff together fast enough to meet expectations?
:Do we have a 'joining contribution' again to cover guild expansion costs?
Having people contribute boards and bricks helps in the early part of the game
When full, keep one space free so that applications can continue to be taken
Keep applications open, players should not see a "Closed" sign. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It makes sense to increase guild size in blocks, as the cost is greater if done in smaller increments. I suggest
we look at the build costs at 30, 50, 80, 100, 120 and make a decision on what would be most efficient use of resources.
[[User:cate|cate]] 09:15, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

:Do we establish teams to focus in on the key priorities like animals, flax, bricks, metals?
From personal experience, in the past I wanted to help, but I couldn't just say "Yes,
I'll help do X building" because it would involve something I'm no good at (for example,
a building that needs a cut gem). As a result, I didn't get involved with it at all.
I had to wait until someone discussed making something I was good at, and I thought
"I can chip in there", and break the ice, help make some of the component parts, and find
that I'm now well and truly involved. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like that!

Someone might not mind making end products like nails and bars, but don't like
getting ores or not be able to make charcoal. Another player may love the challenge of
getting ore or found how to make lots of charcoal quickly and easily, but hate turning it
into metals. So to say "you're on the animals team, start building the farm" may not
necessarily be the best answer. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Research was shambolic at the beginning, with the RP Research guild kicking out players
and was led by people not around the whole tale, whereas zFree helped out both in-region
and other region research, maybe we need a zFree Research guild which only looks at
research, primarily in the region we settle in, and also to help other regions
as required? [[User:Silden|Silden]] 09:54, 29 August 2017 (EST)

Agree with Silden on the Research angle and would be willing to spearhead this. I adore research. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:03, 4 Sept 2017 9CST)

* Did the guild purpose and guidelines affect your attitude towards being in the guild?

* How about the guild wiki? Was it useful?

May need to be a little more organised, be more willing to put details on sub-pages
instead of trying to cram it all into the main page. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* What should the role of the zfree elders be next tale?

= Mid-Tale =
In zfree this tale we started setting up specialist guilds to help coordinate the effort around specific tasks and tests, like 'zemples', zThrone, zBread, for example. We made decisions on projects to contribute towards releasing technologies for all Egyptians, like the Pyramids, and installing new and improved machines around camp for zfree members.

* How can we better involve guild members in the decisions about guild projects and enhancements?

* What keeps you logging in when the mid-tale doldrums start?

* Player-managed events can help motivate people stay tuned in, but need coordination.
: Which player events would you like to see more of?
: Would you like to see zfree take more of a proactive role in organizing player-managed events for Egypt?

* Mid tale is a good time to learn new skills. Tutorials in what topics would be of interest to you?

*

....

= End-Tale =
We are anticipating playing a part in getting together materials for the monuments, as soon as they are released, and working collaboratively to undertake the work. Getting the monuments together and supporting the leaders to finalise them before tale end is pretty rewarding, particularly if we get involved in drafting and reviewing ideas for new tests for next Tale. This Tale has been unique because we have had a chance to review just about every test there has been. It is time to start thinking about the ones you like, and the sort of things you would like to be involved in next tale - even propose ideas for new tests.

* Monuments are fun! Which monuments should we support as a priority?

Architecture, Thought, Leadership and Art!! [[User:cate|cate]] 09:17, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

Body, Harmony, Worship!! [[User:Silden|Silden]] 04:36, 10 August 2017 (EST)

* Developing ideas for new tests to add to the monuments is challenging, but also rewarding. Do you have any ideas for new tests in any of the seven disciplines? Post links to user pages, for the detail!

I am working on an idea for an Arch test, but no details are posted as yet. I will link when I have that info congealed. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:11, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

* End of tale party - ideas, please!

tbc

Guilds/zFree/Zfree Tale 8 Planning

2017-09-05T01:11:30Z

Sedjet: /* End-Tale */

=Feedback=

In Tale 7 the zfree elders worked hard early on to set up '''zfree'''.
We expanded quickly and became a large guild of over 150 members!
The collaborative way that guild members work together is amazing, and has helped us be pretty successful.
Our guild has most importantly become a social hub for members to share being part of this unique community.

As we get close to the end of this tale we need to think about getting going again for Tale 8.
Your thoughts about what worked, and could be done better would be very welcome!

There are some starter questions below, to get things going, based around some key topics.
Feel free to add whatever else you think is needed.

''If you are not confident updating the wiki, please personal chat me <cate> or any of the zfree elders in game
and we can post your comments for you.''

= In the beginning =
1. '''In the beginning:''' the small group of founder elders used the initial 24 hours to scout for a location
and set about establishing the guild headquarters and initial compounds.

* Any thoughts about location next tale? Should we aim for somewhere closer or further out from the centre?

Any closer, and you may have problems with the size the guild buildings get.
Any further away, and it starts to get troublesome to get between guild and the centre.
I think the guild location was just right in tale 7. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* Camp layout - How can we better manage pollution and lag?

Camel Pens and Greenhouses - need to leave a bigger space, as we ran out and had to rebuild in tale 7.
Of note, we need to remember to keep space for drying straw, as that was an after-thought this tale.

Brick production, need to have it closer to mud and sand,
and further away from the trees in case pollution mechanism in tale 8 is similar to tale 7.

Glass production, need to be closer to sand (we had to get camp decoration to put some in during tale 7).

Space out the chemistry, rock, and cafe compounds a little more, as when small warehouses went up,
it started to get cramped very quickly.

Chemistry and Forges building needs to be bigger next time, as it ended up feeling claustrophobic in
the chemistry building, and the same-model Student and Master buildings being next to each other
caused confusion and costly mistakes.

Kitchens, tale 7 had two groups (MPs and everything else), tale 8 I suggest three groups
(one for sink/dex/end, one for other dishes, one for MPs)

When placing 'ponds', need to weigh up the benefits of having more watermines with the negative that
they impede getting between buildings easily.
Actually the watermines was placed long after the ponds went up. The ponds was not intended for more watermines. /McArine

Need to 'reserve' space near the flax houses to allow flax growing.

Space out the warehouses rather than having them all stacked next to each other
as it gets harder to quickly know exactly which warehouse you need.

Location of doors on compounds needs to be better considered, as we had problems this tale
with doors preventing proper expansion of buildings. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Flax Compound, the gins need to be next to the Steam Distaff (which then need to be next to Automatic Loom as they are now).
One full Steam Distaff can feed five Automatic Looms, so number of Looms need to be 5 (or 10)
Maybe a second compound for the automated flax, by the time these are released Cornerstones are aplenty. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Bees might need a more coherent structure, some are very closely packed, others are not in a coherent pattern from one to
the other causing some to be missed by some collectors. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Glass works needs to further away from main camp, as lag can affect the Glory Hole. [[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)
Not built on a hillside that prevents expansion, some people like lots of gloryholes
More space between Papyrus Tanks, and room to expand the numbers [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

* Do we grow slowly by invitation, or quickly and ask member to help provide the resources to make that possible?

Asking members to help has the effect of both helping the guild grow quickly
and help players feel like they are a big part of the guild [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It is my opinion that the guild grow quickly but in a two tiered system. 200 brick and 200 boards to expand the guild hall and
a yet to be determined amount to expand the compounds. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* How should we manage the membership and access equitably?

Monthly reviews of membership and promotion based on contribution and willingness to help out where needed.
I'd prefer a two level access system initially - Initiate: General Access and Patriarch: Reserved for Projects,
or something like that. Continue the Post Office system for those living in/ around camp to store more personal things.
[[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

I am with cate on a two tiered system and promotion. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* We are anticipating there will be lots of lovely players wanting to join us again next tale.
:How big should we aim to be?
:How do we go about getting stuff together fast enough to meet expectations?
:Do we have a 'joining contribution' again to cover guild expansion costs?
Having people contribute boards and bricks helps in the early part of the game
When full, keep one space free so that applications can continue to be taken
Keep applications open, players should not see a "Closed" sign. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It makes sense to increase guild size in blocks, as the cost is greater if done in smaller increments. I suggest
we look at the build costs at 30, 50, 80, 100, 120 and make a decision on what would be most efficient use of resources.
[[User:cate|cate]] 09:15, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

:Do we establish teams to focus in on the key priorities like animals, flax, bricks, metals?
From personal experience, in the past I wanted to help, but I couldn't just say "Yes,
I'll help do X building" because it would involve something I'm no good at (for example,
a building that needs a cut gem). As a result, I didn't get involved with it at all.
I had to wait until someone discussed making something I was good at, and I thought
"I can chip in there", and break the ice, help make some of the component parts, and find
that I'm now well and truly involved. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like that!

Someone might not mind making end products like nails and bars, but don't like
getting ores or not be able to make charcoal. Another player may love the challenge of
getting ore or found how to make lots of charcoal quickly and easily, but hate turning it
into metals. So to say "you're on the animals team, start building the farm" may not
necessarily be the best answer. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Research was shambolic at the beginning, with the RP Research guild kicking out players
and was led by people not around the whole tale, whereas zFree helped out both in-region
and other region research, maybe we need a zFree Research guild which only looks at
research, primarily in the region we settle in, and also to help other regions
as required? [[User:Silden|Silden]] 09:54, 29 August 2017 (EST)

Agree with Silden on the Research angle and would be willing to spearhead this. I adore research. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:03, 4 Sept 2017 9CST)

* Did the guild purpose and guidelines affect your attitude towards being in the guild?

* How about the guild wiki? Was it useful?

May need to be a little more organised, be more willing to put details on sub-pages
instead of trying to cram it all into the main page. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* What should the role of the zfree elders be next tale?

= Mid-Tale =
In zfree this tale we started setting up specialist guilds to help coordinate the effort around specific tasks and tests, like 'zemples', zThrone, zBread, for example. We made decisions on projects to contribute towards releasing technologies for all Egyptians, like the Pyramids, and installing new and improved machines around camp for zfree members.

* How can we better involve guild members in the decisions about guild projects and enhancements?

* What keeps you logging in when the mid-tale doldrums start?

* Player-managed events can help motivate people stay tuned in, but need coordination.
: Which player events would you like to see more of?
: Would you like to see zfree take more of a proactive role in organizing player-managed events for Egypt?

* Mid tale is a good time to learn new skills. Tutorials in what topics would be of interest to you?

*

....

= End-Tale =
We are anticipating playing a part in getting together materials for the monuments, as soon as they are released, and working collaboratively to undertake the work. Getting the monuments together and supporting the leaders to finalise them before tale end is pretty rewarding, particularly if we get involved in drafting and reviewing ideas for new tests for next Tale. This Tale has been unique because we have had a chance to review just about every test there has been. It is time to start thinking about the ones you like, and the sort of things you would like to be involved in next tale - even propose ideas for new tests.

* Monuments are fun! Which monuments should we support as a priority?

Architecture, Thought, Leadership and Art!! [[User:cate|cate]] 09:17, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

Body, Harmony, Worship!! [[User:Silden|Silden]] 04:36, 10 August 2017 (EST)

* Developing ideas for new tests to add to the monuments is challenging, but also rewarding. Do you have any ideas for new tests in any of the seven disciplines? Post links to user pages, for the detail!

I am working on an idea for an Arch test, but no details are posted as yet. I will link when I have that info congealed. [[User:Sedjet]] 20:11, 4 Sept 2017 (CST)

* End of tale party - ideas, please!

tbc

Guilds/zFree/Zfree Tale 8 Planning

2017-09-05T01:03:53Z

Sedjet: /* In the beginning */

=Feedback=

In Tale 7 the zfree elders worked hard early on to set up '''zfree'''.
We expanded quickly and became a large guild of over 150 members!
The collaborative way that guild members work together is amazing, and has helped us be pretty successful.
Our guild has most importantly become a social hub for members to share being part of this unique community.

As we get close to the end of this tale we need to think about getting going again for Tale 8.
Your thoughts about what worked, and could be done better would be very welcome!

There are some starter questions below, to get things going, based around some key topics.
Feel free to add whatever else you think is needed.

''If you are not confident updating the wiki, please personal chat me <cate> or any of the zfree elders in game
and we can post your comments for you.''

= In the beginning =
1. '''In the beginning:''' the small group of founder elders used the initial 24 hours to scout for a location
and set about establishing the guild headquarters and initial compounds.

* Any thoughts about location next tale? Should we aim for somewhere closer or further out from the centre?

Any closer, and you may have problems with the size the guild buildings get.
Any further away, and it starts to get troublesome to get between guild and the centre.
I think the guild location was just right in tale 7. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* Camp layout - How can we better manage pollution and lag?

Camel Pens and Greenhouses - need to leave a bigger space, as we ran out and had to rebuild in tale 7.
Of note, we need to remember to keep space for drying straw, as that was an after-thought this tale.

Brick production, need to have it closer to mud and sand,
and further away from the trees in case pollution mechanism in tale 8 is similar to tale 7.

Glass production, need to be closer to sand (we had to get camp decoration to put some in during tale 7).

Space out the chemistry, rock, and cafe compounds a little more, as when small warehouses went up,
it started to get cramped very quickly.

Chemistry and Forges building needs to be bigger next time, as it ended up feeling claustrophobic in
the chemistry building, and the same-model Student and Master buildings being next to each other
caused confusion and costly mistakes.

Kitchens, tale 7 had two groups (MPs and everything else), tale 8 I suggest three groups
(one for sink/dex/end, one for other dishes, one for MPs)

When placing 'ponds', need to weigh up the benefits of having more watermines with the negative that
they impede getting between buildings easily.
Actually the watermines was placed long after the ponds went up. The ponds was not intended for more watermines. /McArine

Need to 'reserve' space near the flax houses to allow flax growing.

Space out the warehouses rather than having them all stacked next to each other
as it gets harder to quickly know exactly which warehouse you need.

Location of doors on compounds needs to be better considered, as we had problems this tale
with doors preventing proper expansion of buildings. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Flax Compound, the gins need to be next to the Steam Distaff (which then need to be next to Automatic Loom as they are now).
One full Steam Distaff can feed five Automatic Looms, so number of Looms need to be 5 (or 10)
Maybe a second compound for the automated flax, by the time these are released Cornerstones are aplenty. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Bees might need a more coherent structure, some are very closely packed, others are not in a coherent pattern from one to
the other causing some to be missed by some collectors. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

Glass works needs to further away from main camp, as lag can affect the Glory Hole. [[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)
Not built on a hillside that prevents expansion, some people like lots of gloryholes
More space between Papyrus Tanks, and room to expand the numbers [[User:Silden|Silden]] 00:58, 3 September 2017 (EST)

* Do we grow slowly by invitation, or quickly and ask member to help provide the resources to make that possible?

Asking members to help has the effect of both helping the guild grow quickly
and help players feel like they are a big part of the guild [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It is my opinion that the guild grow quickly but in a two tiered system. 200 brick and 200 boards to expand the guild hall and
a yet to be determined amount to expand the compounds. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* How should we manage the membership and access equitably?

Monthly reviews of membership and promotion based on contribution and willingness to help out where needed.
I'd prefer a two level access system initially - Initiate: General Access and Patriarch: Reserved for Projects,
or something like that. Continue the Post Office system for those living in/ around camp to store more personal things.
[[User:cate|cate]] 08:33, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

I am with cate on a two tiered system and promotion. [[User:Eugenius|Eugenius]]

* We are anticipating there will be lots of lovely players wanting to join us again next tale.
:How big should we aim to be?
:How do we go about getting stuff together fast enough to meet expectations?
:Do we have a 'joining contribution' again to cover guild expansion costs?
Having people contribute boards and bricks helps in the early part of the game
When full, keep one space free so that applications can continue to be taken
Keep applications open, players should not see a "Closed" sign. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

It makes sense to increase guild size in blocks, as the cost is greater if done in smaller increments. I suggest
we look at the build costs at 30, 50, 80, 100, 120 and make a decision on what would be most efficient use of resources.
[[User:cate|cate]] 09:15, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

:Do we establish teams to focus in on the key priorities like animals, flax, bricks, metals?
From personal experience, in the past I wanted to help, but I couldn't just say "Yes,
I'll help do X building" because it would involve something I'm no good at (for example,
a building that needs a cut gem). As a result, I didn't get involved with it at all.
I had to wait until someone discussed making something I was good at, and I thought
"I can chip in there", and break the ice, help make some of the component parts, and find
that I'm now well and truly involved. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like that!

Someone might not mind making end products like nails and bars, but don't like
getting ores or not be able to make charcoal. Another player may love the challenge of
getting ore or found how to make lots of charcoal quickly and easily, but hate turning it
into metals. So to say "you're on the animals team, start building the farm" may not
necessarily be the best answer. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

Research was shambolic at the beginning, with the RP Research guild kicking out players
and was led by people not around the whole tale, whereas zFree helped out both in-region
and other region research, maybe we need a zFree Research guild which only looks at
research, primarily in the region we settle in, and also to help other regions
as required? [[User:Silden|Silden]] 09:54, 29 August 2017 (EST)

Agree with Silden on the Research angle and would be willing to spearhead this. I adore research. [[User:Sedjet|Sedjet]] 20:03, 4 Sept 2017 9CST)

* Did the guild purpose and guidelines affect your attitude towards being in the guild?

* How about the guild wiki? Was it useful?

May need to be a little more organised, be more willing to put details on sub-pages
instead of trying to cram it all into the main page. [[User:Silden|Silden]] 07:53, 24 July 2017 (EST)

* What should the role of the zfree elders be next tale?

= Mid-Tale =
In zfree this tale we started setting up specialist guilds to help coordinate the effort around specific tasks and tests, like 'zemples', zThrone, zBread, for example. We made decisions on projects to contribute towards releasing technologies for all Egyptians, like the Pyramids, and installing new and improved machines around camp for zfree members.

* How can we better involve guild members in the decisions about guild projects and enhancements?

* What keeps you logging in when the mid-tale doldrums start?

* Player-managed events can help motivate people stay tuned in, but need coordination.
: Which player events would you like to see more of?
: Would you like to see zfree take more of a proactive role in organizing player-managed events for Egypt?

* Mid tale is a good time to learn new skills. Tutorials in what topics would be of interest to you?

*

....

= End-Tale =
We are anticipating playing a part in getting together materials for the monuments, as soon as they are released, and working collaboratively to undertake the work. Getting the monuments together and supporting the leaders to finalise them before tale end is pretty rewarding, particularly if we get involved in drafting and reviewing ideas for new tests for next Tale. This Tale has been unique because we have had a chance to review just about every test there has been. It is time to start thinking about the ones you like, and the sort of things you would like to be involved in next tale - even propose ideas for new tests.

* Monuments are fun! Which monuments should we support as a priority?

Architecture, Thought, Leadership and Art!! [[User:cate|cate]] 09:17, 25 July 2017 (AEST)

Body, Harmony, Worship!! [[User:Silden|Silden]] 04:36, 10 August 2017 (EST)

* Developing ideas for new tests to add to the monuments is challenging, but also rewarding. Do you have any ideas for new tests in any of the seven disciplines? Post links to user pages, for the detail!

* End of tale party - ideas, please!

tbc

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-04T22:57:19Z

Sedjet:

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User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-04T22:56:43Z

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User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-09-04T02:16:52Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''
* Hegemon: '''Complete'''

User:Sedjet/Overview

2017-09-04T02:16:21Z

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User:Sedjet/ArchTests

2017-09-01T03:49:37Z

Sedjet:

* Initation: Complete
* Obelisk: '''Complete'''
* Megalopolis: '''Complete'''
* Towers: '''Complete'''
* Pyramid: '''Complete'''
* Funerary Temple: '''Complete'''
* Life: '''Complete'''
* Octec: '''Complete'''

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The City of the Dead

User:Sedjet/T8

2017-08-31T01:59:13Z

Sedjet:

User:Sedjet/BodyTests

2017-08-30T01:13:32Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Acrobat: ''Principle''
* Bedouin: ''Principle''
* Cicada: '''Complete'''
* Darkest Night: ''Principle''
* Archaeologist: '''Complete'''

RT: Check with Donk to see if we have OSM, otherwise buy from Talos.

Safari: Keep boards, etc on person while running around.

User:Sedjet/BodyTests

2017-08-30T01:13:24Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Acrobat: ''Principle''
* Bedouin: ''Principle''
* Cicada: '''Complete'''
* Darkest Night: ''Principle''
* Archaeologist: '''Complete'''

RT: Check with Donk to see if we have OSM, otherwise buy from Talos.
Safari: Keep boards, etc on person while running around.

User:Sedjet/BodyTests

2017-08-30T01:04:15Z

Sedjet:

* Initiation: Complete
* Acrobat: ''Principle''
* Bedouin: ''Principle''
* Cicada: '''Complete'''
* Darkest Night: ''Principle''
* Archaeologist: '''Complete'''

RT: Check with Donk to see if we have OSM, otherwise buy from Talos.

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-08-29T02:13:38Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide Otters]]

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-08-29T02:13:14Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[Otters http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide]]

User:Sedjet/To Do

2017-08-29T02:12:47Z

Sedjet:

* Raeli Oven: Need to pay back Kaa (1000 mini palmetto, 500 bottle tree)

* [[http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Otter_Guide|Otters]]

User:Sedjet

2017-08-29T01:17:27Z

Sedjet: /* About Me */

= About Me =

*First Telling: Tale 2 beta
*Highest Rank: Oracle of Architecture
*Current Rank: Oracle of Architecture

[[User:Sedjet/Guilds|Sedjet's Guilds]]

[[User:Sedjet/Guides|Sedjet's Guides]]

[[User:Sedjet/To Do|Sedjet's To Do List]]

[[User:Sedjet/T8|Sedjet's Plans for Tale 8]]

= Test Progress =

[[User:Sedjet/Overview|Overview]]

[[User:Sedjet/ArchTests|Architecture]]

[[User:Sedjet/ArtTests|Art]]

[[User:Sedjet/BodyTests|Body]]

[[User:Sedjet/HarmTests|Harmony]]

[[User:Sedjet/LeadTests|Leadership]]

[[User:Sedjet/ThotTests|Thought]]

[[User:Sedjet/WorTests|Worship]]

User:Sedjet

2017-08-29T00:47:28Z

Sedjet: /* Worship */

User:Sedjet/WorTests

2017-08-29T00:47:26Z

Sedjet: Created page with "* Initiation: '''Complete''' * Vigil: '''Complete''' * Pilgrim: '''Complete'''"

* Initiation: '''Complete'''
* Vigil: '''Complete'''
* Pilgrim: '''Complete'''

User:Sedjet/ThotTests

2017-08-29T00:47:02Z

Sedjet: Created page with "* Initiation: '''Complete'''"

* Initiation: '''Complete'''

User:Sedjet

2017-08-29T00:46:52Z

Sedjet: /* Thought */

User:Sedjet/LeadTests

2017-08-29T00:46:36Z

Sedjet: Created page with "* Initiation: Complete * Demipharaoh: ''Principle'' * Bureaucrat: '''Complete''' * Plantation: '''Complete''' * Coalition: '''Complete'''"

* Initiation: Complete
* Demipharaoh: ''Principle''
* Bureaucrat: '''Complete'''
* Plantation: '''Complete'''
* Coalition: '''Complete'''