Kickstarter - Revision history

Firegolem: /* Pluribus's Stated Opinion on the difficulty of a Kickstarter */

2017-06-18T13:13:20Z

Pluribus's Stated Opinion on the difficulty of a Kickstarter

Firegolem: /* Rhaom Comments */

2017-06-18T13:01:25Z

Rhaom Comments

Rhaom: /* Rhaom Comments */

2016-07-31T21:03:23Z

Rhaom Comments

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2016-07-31T18:11:08Z

Rhaom Comments

Rhaom: /* Rhaom Comments */

2016-07-31T17:46:56Z

Rhaom Comments

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2016-07-31T17:43:30Z

Rhaom Comments

Rhaom: /* Rhaom Comments */

2016-07-31T17:42:24Z

Rhaom Comments

Rhaom: /* The Proposal Comments */

2016-07-31T17:38:28Z

The Proposal Comments

Talos at 18:45, 24 July 2016

2016-07-24T18:45:16Z

Talos at 18:43, 24 July 2016

2016-07-24T18:43:15Z

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 Pluribus: A: A successful kickstarter requires more than just desire and clicking the "Start a Kickstarter" button. It requires a significant time and resource investment to develop the plan, make videos to attract donors, constant attention to providing feedback and changes as the campaign progresses. It ALSO requires a base of donors who are willing donate considerably above and beyond the average person who would play the game in order to properly fund it. Without EITHER the time and money investments to run the campaign or the donor base, then the campaign is a waste of time/resources. When I consider that fully 1/3 of the players who have quit and answered the exit poll have stated financial reasons for quiting, I am not convinced that there is good chance of funding an engine redevelopment.
 This page is in part to help alleviate the planning portion of the kickstarter, and show that there is a base of backers who would fund this idea.
 ===Community as a Resource===

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	There are at least 5 new crafting style mmo's that are due to release this year so the type of game is still very popular, someone just needs to actually make an effort to promote atitd again		There are at least 5 new crafting style mmo's that are due to release this year so the type of game is still very popular, someone just needs to actually make an effort to promote atitd again
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		+	=== Firegolem Comments ===
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		+	'''The Defeatist Attitude'''
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		+	I will second this as a problem. I am a marketer and I have played this game since tale 1. I have offered both Teppy and Pluribus to do free marketing for ATITD and never had any reply
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		+	And I know, that when people say its about cost, its never about costs! This is rule Number 1 in marketing. People dont tell you the truth, they tell you what you want to hear, to spare you feelings.
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		+	I personally dont believe this game needs new engine to take a step forward. That is a very much engineers approach which believes that marketing is just bullshit and that if you build a better product, then things will magically turn better. A small bit of targeted marketing could go a very long way

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 I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours, beyond what he really wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that is how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Pluribus and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.
-These costs will not develop you a new game, but it will develop you a stable game that people will actually have the desire to play and want to pay for which is a better starting point than the state of the game currently allows for... something along the lines of "one small step for Pluribus games, one giant leap for ATITD"
+These costs will not develop you a new game, but it will develop you a stable game that people will actually have the desire to play and want to pay for which is a better starting point than the state of the game currently allows for... something along the lines of "one small step for Pluribus games, one giant leap for ATITD". This will inturn, bring players back and assuming the system is brought up to standard properly, add hints and tips for new players to help them learn the game and it will attract more players, allowing for further developments to continue happening cause the game will generate revenue from being stable.
 '''The Defeatist Attitude'''

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 === Rhaom Comments ===
-(So first of all before I started, I dont actually know what language ATITD is coded in but since its from 2000, I will assume its C++, even if its not it doesnt really matter, high end Object-Orientated Programming jobs usually pay around the same amount anyway)
+(So first of all before I start, I dont actually know what language ATITD is coded in but since its from 2000, I will assume its C++, even if its not it does not really matter, high end Object-Orientated Programming jobs usually pay around the same amount anyway.)
 '''Per Annum Development Costs'''
 * 1 Developer = £57,500 ($76,100)
-* 1 3d Artist = £24,886 ($32,935)
+* 1 3D Artist = £24,886 ($32,935)
 * Maximum Cost = $109,035
-I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours than he wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that it how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Plur and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.
+I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours, beyond what he really wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that is how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Pluribus and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.
 These costs will not develop you a new game, but it will develop you a stable game that people will actually have the desire to play and want to pay for which is a better starting point than the state of the game currently allows for... something along the lines of "one small step for Pluribus games, one giant leap for ATITD"

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	I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours than he wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that it how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Plur and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.		I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours than he wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that it how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Plur and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.
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		+	These costs will not develop you a new game, but it will develop you a stable game that people will actually have the desire to play and want to pay for which is a better starting point than the state of the game currently allows for... something along the lines of "one small step for Pluribus games, one giant leap for ATITD"

	'''The Defeatist Attitude'''		'''The Defeatist Attitude'''

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 *'''"When I consider that fully 1/3 of the players who have quit and answered the exit poll have stated financial reasons for quiting, I am not convinced that there is good chance of funding an engine redevelopment."''' are just redundant, this is just another way of saying "This means I actually need to make an effort and show some care so lets not bother".
-*When people put on the poll for quitting '''"financial reasons"''' they do not mean, '''"I cannot afford to play this game"''' they mean '''"I see no developer input for things that have been broken for years so there is no justification for playing and paying a game where the developer does not appear to care".'''
+*When people put on the poll for quitting '''"financial reasons"''' they do not mean, '''"I cannot afford to play this game"''' they mean '''"I see no developer input for things that have been broken for years so there is no justification in paying to play a game where the developer does not appear to care".'''
 *I personally have offered to do art work for this game free of charge just because I like the game and the response i got via email was quite literally '''"whats the point".'''

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	*I personally have offered to do art work for this game free of charge just because I like the game and the response i got via email was quite literally '''"whats the point".'''		*I personally have offered to do art work for this game free of charge just because I like the game and the response i got via email was quite literally '''"whats the point".'''

−	Until this attitude goes away, this game is not fixable. The style of game that this is requires constant input from a developer, it requires world events, gatherings otherwise it cannot survive	+	Until this attitude goes away, this game is not fixable. The style of game that this is requires constant input from a developer, it requires world events and gatherings otherwise it cannot survive.
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		+	There are at least 5 new crafting style mmo's that are due to release this year so the type of game is still very popular, someone just needs to actually make an effort to promote atitd again

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	So, if you are going to attempt crowd funding the amount raised needs to be a Huge Mound of Loots.		So, if you are going to attempt crowd funding the amount raised needs to be a Huge Mound of Loots.
	[[User:Zhukuram\|Zhukuram]] 04:30, 30 June 2016 (EST)		[[User:Zhukuram\|Zhukuram]] 04:30, 30 June 2016 (EST)
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		+	=== Rhaom Comments ===
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		+	(So first of all before I started, I dont actually know what language ATITD is coded in but since its from 2000, I will assume its C++, even if its not it doesnt really matter, high end Object-Orientated Programming jobs usually pay around the same amount anyway)
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		+	'''Per Annum Development Costs'''
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		+	* 1 Developer = £57,500 ($76,100)
		+	* 1 3d Artist = £24,886 ($32,935)
		+	* Maximum Cost = $109,035
		+
		+	I'm sorry to say this but there may be times when Pluribus would need to work extra hours than he wants too, welcome to the world of business, sometimes its hard and you have to put in more effort than you would like to but that it how you make yourself successful. So with 1 additional developer, Plur and a 3d artist... along side all the developers and artists that play this game who are attracted to it for its unique style of play, this game could be fixed for a maximum cost of $109,035 as it stands right now. Ofcourse there are marketing costs to add to that if you want to re-advertise the game once its been fixed but lets take things one step at a time.
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		+	'''The Defeatist Attitude'''
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		+	I'm just going to go ahead and say this because its about time someone did.
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		+	Comments from Pluribus like:
		+	*'''"When I consider that fully 1/3 of the players who have quit and answered the exit poll have stated financial reasons for quiting, I am not convinced that there is good chance of funding an engine redevelopment."''' are just redundant, this is just another way of saying "This means I actually need to make an effort and show some care so lets not bother".
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		+	*When people put on the poll for quitting '''"financial reasons"''' they do not mean, '''"I cannot afford to play this game"''' they mean '''"I see no developer input for things that have been broken for years so there is no justification for playing and paying a game where the developer does not appear to care".'''
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		+	*I personally have offered to do art work for this game free of charge just because I like the game and the response i got via email was quite literally '''"whats the point".'''
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		+	Until this attitude goes away, this game is not fixable. The style of game that this is requires constant input from a developer, it requires world events, gatherings otherwise it cannot survive

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 ===Community as a Resource===
 One of the consistent benefits that ATITD has going for it is the large community.  This is a group of people who come together to help one another out and create each new telling.  For players of this game, many names are household (going to shout out [[User:Ariella|Ariella]] for helping me get started in T4) for players of the game.  Who hasn't had a strain of Tedra flax or vines?  Or an Ariella/Pascalito Lilly?  There are dozens of players who have skills useful for this game and who are more than willing to contribute their skills if it means Egypt continuing into the future.  Not to mention that we get passionate about this game, and that passion will drive others towards it.
 ===Need for New Players===
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 * Pharaoh's Garden: Limited Edition/Special flowers that can be crossbred as normal (perhaps colors that are hard to do.  A little superfluous with mutagenics being unlocked, but I'm sure there's people out there that want new flowers).
 * Raeli Paintshop: Special building that allows you to combine paint colors and white raeli tiles to create colored tiles of that type.
 ==The Proposal Comments==