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+|| '''Steel:''' If the situation was dire enough, yes, I would initiate a ban.  However, I feel banning is the least effective way to deal with a problem.  Modern technology makes it too easy to evade a ban. Partially because the ease of ban evasion, I wish either game staff acted more in griefing situations OR DPs were given additional powers (examples: ''warp, exile, move buildings'').
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 || '''Tut:''' In the right situation, such as the one with Geodude, yes I would be willing to ban.  Obviously that's easy to say since he's already been banned and he also woodplaned my cp's, so let me explore the hypothetical a little more.  In a potential griefer situation where someone chats me to notify me that griefing has occurred, I think there is a lot of information that needs to be gathered.  Obviously gathering facts (first-hand if possible, such as viewing the wood-planes from Geodude in person or talking with the involved parties / witnesses to hear their stories) about what has occurred is the first step.  Then finding out things like "Will the griefing get worse so that concluding this is urgent, or can I take my time figuring everything out?" and "Is the griefer willing to stop after being talked through / threatened with a ban if needed?" would be a good second step. Ideally there would be a solution without needing a ban if the griefing is not extremely destructive and the griefer is repentant (legal and social action could be taken in that case and would be sufficient in my opinion). In a situation where the griefing was ongoing and a conclusion was urgently needed, I would still give the griefer a chance to respond to a chat, but a ban would be following shortly if I was not heeded, and after I took as many of the steps as needed above in order to make certain of what was going on.

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+|| '''Steel:'''Yes. Since some issues seem unresolved due to lack of action from game staff, a DP might make a good alternative option.  In other games, GMs had the ability to temporary "''jail''" people, move a building under certain circumstances, or warp to investigate a situation.  Before a DP was extended these powers, of course the actual powers would have to be further developed and scrutinized by the majority of Egypt.  However, if a DP had these powers and held to detailed guidelines, the DP role of mediation could become more successful.
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 || '''Tut:''' As Ariella stated above, adding more power to the position would be pretty risky and could easily be abused. If anything, since the DP role is one of service to the community, the kind of "power" that could be added would need to be enhancing their already-existing function as peacemaker and conflict mediator and not adding new roles.  Perhaps something like having a limited use ability to jail themselves along with one other person, indefinitely. This would see use in the urgent situations where a ban stick might normally be applied to stop something quickly and instead you could force them to stop and give you time to sort through what was going on.  Jailing yourself along with the person would help reduce abuse of it, but before I'd truly get behind an idea like that I'd want to put it in front of the community to see what kind of holes they could poke in the idea and assess its weak points.  If I felt that it was something that was truly needed and helpful to the community, I would definitely give up being DP to enact it.  DP to me is just that, serving the community.

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-|| '''Steel:''' Slight detour from the question... Since I have seen "new player" referred to as a negative a few times, I really hope that isn't the case and I hope DPs are not adopting that stance.  We should be working to make the game a welcome place for veterans and new players alike.
+|| '''Steel:''' Slight detour from the question... Since I have seen "new player" referred to as a negative a few times, I really hope that is not the case and I hope present and future DPs are not adopting that stance.  We should be working to make the game a welcome place for veterans and new players alike.
 I feel each of us have enough strengths to make a good DP.  Ultimately our choice this round will likely come down to which personality we each feel will do the best at DP.

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+|| '''Steel:''' Slight detour from the question... Since I have seen "new player" referred to as a negative a few times, I really hope that isn't the case and I hope DPs are not adopting that stance.  We should be working to make the game a welcome place for veterans and new players alike.
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 || '''Tut:''' I'll preface this by saying this is not an attempt to sling mud (I've included the major challenges that in my opinion I would face), but an honest attempt at assessing the challenges each person would face (I've probably not been successfully fully objective, so add in your own post with yours and others pluses and minuses).

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 Finally, a DP is a leader. They should be organizing events to help inspire the greater community.
-I feel I would make a great DP because I deal with the above described roles at the student/community center where I volunteer on a regular basis.  Almost every day I am putting out a fires whether simply character clashes or an event problem.  On the rare occasion, i also am apart of deciding whether or not someone needs to be banned for the well-being of the organization and the people that meet there.  I have done this role for about five years now.
+I feel I would make a great DP because I deal with the above described roles at the student/community center where I volunteer on a regular basis.  Almost every day I am putting out a fire; whether simply character clashes or an event problem.  On the rare occasion, i also am apart of deciding whether or not someone needs to be banned for the well-being of the organization and the people that meet there.  I have done this role for about five years now.
 Further in my history, I also was a successful guild leader with both social guilds and raid guilds in other various online games.
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-|| '''Steel:''' The role of a demi-pharaoh is symbolically represented in the hieroglyphic symbols of '''the crook and the flail'''.
+|| '''Steel:''' The role of a demi-pharaoh is symbolically represented in the hieroglyphic symbols of '''''the crook and the flail'''''.
-'''The crook''', like a shepherd's crook, is used to help guide and take care of the people.  A DP should make themselves available for anyone to talk to them about their joys and their troubles.  Although conversations may distract from Tests or character growth, a DP that takes time out of their day to listen to someone would likely have a rippling effect on the greater community.
+'''''The crook''''', like a shepherd's crook, is used to help guide and take care of the people.  A DP should make themselves available for anyone to talk to them about their joys and their troubles.  Although conversations may distract from Tests or character growth, a DP that takes time out of their day to listen to someone would likely have a rippling effect on the greater community.
-'''The flail''' is used for discipline.  Currently this entails the ban powers; however, I hope eventually a different power could be adopted to the DP role. Temporary exiling (jail) might help remedy some of the more drastic situations without having to ban someone thus losing a paying customer.
+'''''The flail''''' is used for discipline.  Currently this entails the ban powers; however, I hope eventually a different power could be adopted to the DP role. Temporary exiling (jail) might help remedy some of the more drastic situations without having to ban someone thus losing a paying customer.
 During times of conflict, a DP will likely exercise both the crook and the flail qualities to settle arguments or research potential problems.
 Finally, a DP is a leader. They should be organizing events to help inspire the greater community.

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 || '''Tut:''' As Ariella stated above, adding more power to the position would be pretty risky and could easily be abused. If anything, since the DP role is one of service to the community, the kind of "power" that could be added would need to be enhancing their already-existing function as peacemaker and conflict mediator and not adding new roles.  Perhaps something like having a limited use ability to jail themselves along with one other person, indefinitely. This would see use in the urgent situations where a ban stick might normally be applied to stop something quickly and instead you could force them to stop and give you time to sort through what was going on.  Jailing yourself along with the person would help reduce abuse of it, but before I'd truly get behind an idea like that I'd want to put it in front of the community to see what kind of holes they could poke in the idea and assess its weak points.  If I felt that it was something that was truly needed and helpful to the community, I would definitely give up being DP to enact it.  DP to me is just that, serving the community.
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+|| ==='''Question #4: This one is optional, but I (Tut) thought it was worth discussing since most of us in the group will probably be DP's at some point and it can be hard to decide between the multiple good choices. To help make that decision I think it's a good idea for us to try and put someone through who has a good chance of being elected, and not just a good DP candidate. So, what are some of the specific pro's and con's that you see for each individual's chances for getting elected in the general election if they make it through this DP round?'''===
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+|| '''Tut:''' I'll preface this by saying this is not an attempt to sling mud (I've included the major challenges that in my opinion I would face), but an honest attempt at assessing the challenges each person would face (I've probably not been successfully fully objective, so add in your own post with yours and others pluses and minuses).
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-|| '''Ariella:''' A player with more power/authority than his fellow players than a DP already has?  After playing this many tales, I would hesitate giving DPs more power or authority.  I have seen bad DP behavior (albeit rare) and heard many suggestions on this subject.  It hasn't happened.  I think it's for good reason.  If someone came up with a good idea I'd listen.
+|| '''Ariella:''' A player with more power/authority than his fellow players than a DP already has?  After playing this many tales, I would hesitate giving DPs more power or authority.  I have seen bad DP behavior (albeit rare) and heard many suggestions on this subject.  It hasn't happened.  I think it's for good reason.  If someone came up with a good idea I'd listen. Maybe access to an extra egyptwide channel dedicated to helping answer questions and discussion on possible ban worthy griefers.
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