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| | ==DP Debate Format Tale VII - 5th DP Election== | | ==DP Debate Format Tale VII - 5th DP Election== |
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| | + | Welcome to 5th DP Elections page. Our candidates for this debate: dymo, brucette, Hanid, Alkhar, Bryce, LuluDivine, MissBarbara. |
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| | Different time zones and pre-planned events made live debate impossible. Because of that our format changes to the following: | | Different time zones and pre-planned events made live debate impossible. Because of that our format changes to the following: |
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| | == '''Part 1. We have twelve questions posted below, candidates will answer via user-pages by Saturday 8am EST/13:00 UTC. All answers will be compiled and posted here''' == | | == '''Part 1. We have twelve questions posted below, candidates will answer via user-pages by Saturday 8am EST/13:00 UTC. All answers will be compiled and posted here''' == |
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| − | '''''Q1. For those who have never had the opportunity to interact with you before can you share a little about yourself, what you enjoy about ATITD as well as how long you have been playing?'''''
| + | Q1. For those who have never had the opportunity to interact with you before can you share a little about yourself, what you enjoy about ATITD as well as how long you have been playing? |
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| − | '''Dymo''': Well I am Scorpio, I like long walks on the nile. I like to "party hard" at the tasting table, and fish all nite. I try not to take most things seriously. I am laid back, and I do not take things from the game personally, normally.
| + | Q2. As some specific examples, would you consider any of the following playstyles as worthy of DP intervention? Obelisk queue violation, bonfiring of a clay patches to prevent others from building, using large quantities of alts to rig elections, mentorship advancement, or other test passes? |
| − | I am an avid coder, I very much like writing macros, I release very little of what I write, as most are wildely useless and most took more time to write then the action they were used for. I once wrote a macro to drop a 20x20 grid of carrots for getting rabbits to spawn. I spent an hour writing and tweaking it, it took 5 times longer to do it, than had I just dropped the carrots by hand, but I enjoy the challange.
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| − | I am the same way on events, Its a challange, and I take them semi seriously, I read the challange, hope i figured out plur was saying between the lines, and then I plan the things I will need to be able to do it effectively. Sometimes it works sometimes, i still misread it and everything goes wrong, but i love the challange of it.
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| − | I am loyal sometimes to the point of not being able to say no, when I should. And I try to trade as fair as possible.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': I started Tale near the beginning of T4 - my brother, Sigil, convinced me to give it a try. During the course of T4 I helped run the very large newbie/mentor/public works guild Oasis, in downtown Meroe. In T5, my primary guild was a smaller group of good friends, but I kept myself plugged in to the broader community by helping manage and arrange the many tentacled behemoth that is the Test of Festivals for a number of months. In T6 I turned my focus more towards research - both the University kind and the 'let's experiment' kind, as well as dedicating myself to a number of public access projects, such as the T6 public raeli project. I've continued my interests in these aspects of the game this tale. For university research- my primary guild dedicates the vast majority of their collective energy to opening tech for Egypt. For 'let's experiment' type research, I ran thousands of cooking tests in the fall to determine the stat profiles of all reasonably testable ingredients. And the T7 Public Raeli Project was opened just a few weeks ago - 60 publicly available ovens covering 180 raeli tile colors!
| + | Q3. If the general consensus of the rest of the DPs were that that person should not be banned, but you felt strongly that they should, what would you do? |
| − | The answer is trite, but the thing I find most interesting about this game is the community. I don't simply mean how supportive or friendly it is - what I find truly fascinating is the conflict resolution, the wild differences in playstyles, priorities, and perspectives. There were never any rules laid out for how we were meant to work out our differences - in fact, Teppy's original purpose was arguably to see what we would all do without any such rules or expectations. This is, in so many ways, the most interesting science experiment I've ever seen - and we are both the observers and the subjects of the experiment.
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| − | '''Brucette''': I have been playing since T1. Over the years I have made a lot of friends and met many people. I still play with the same group of people as I did in T2, they are like my 2nd family. In the past I have done my best to help people whenever needed and it is a joy to me to make new friends. Especially if they become long time players of this game that I love. I was a DP in previous tales and I would love the chance to become one again. My real life job as a Retail Manager has prepared me for many roles in Atitd. A leader, team player, organizer, builder, mediator and most of all a very good listener. These skills are an assett to being a great Demi Pharaoh. I have a passion for this game and I really want everyone playing to have as much fun as possible, my goal as Demi Pharaoh would be to make sure that is possible. | + | Q4. How's your progress in other Leadership tests? |
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| − | '''Hanid''': Hello Egyptians. I have been playing since mid T3. I struggled in the beginning and consequently have a soft spot for newbies. My favorite tests tend to be in the arts, a bit of genetics, chemistry as well as critic, pilgrimage and some of the other group activities. Making paints for people is one of my pleasures, and I also make silk. The reason I play is I appreciate the nonviolence and the opportunities to be creative, from how we lay out our cps to how we manage our goals. Various regions have been my home, from Karnak to CCR to Memphis. Currently I live in the Hinterlands, which is why I haven't been running off at the mouth on the regional chats this tale. I was elected a DP in T5. In RL I judge international sporting events.
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| − | '''Alkhar''': I have been playing since T4 with being on and off in between. I started very casual, in a remote oasis and enjoyed myself for the begining of the tale with another friend of mine. After he quit a couple of months later, I moved to play with others in Stillwater back then but kept my pace slow all the time. I wasn't around for long in T5. With T6, I started playing more intensely especially with getting a sense of community in the game. In the very beginning, I was enjoying authentic play style in a calming oasis, then it evolved into discovering more every day. Then I realized there is hardly any limit to what I can discover in this game and its form of community which is still an ongoing process and I am loving it.
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| − | '''Bryce''': I started playing at the start of T2. I have attempted all and passed most of the tests that have been released since I started playing. I have done pretty much everything there is to do in the game, and have enjoyed most of the activities I've done and tests I've passed. I have been a DP in multiple other tales, have never banned anyone, and have used my authority as a DP to help mediate disputes to achieve a positive outcome for all parties involved. I have mentored many of the players currently playing ATITD at one point or another and am always willing to help out when I'm in-game. I enjoy building items and planning activities, but what I enjoy most about ATITD is the friends I have made, the interaction between players, and the group projects/activities.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': I am MissBarbara, I have been playing since Tale1. I live in South Egypt and I am married to Balthazarr. I love running around herbing, shrooming and especially meeting people. I'm very fascinated by other peoples cultures, experiences and to me, this game is a very nice way of socializing with different kinds of people that you might never have had the opportunity to meet in real life.
| + | Q8. Spouselog allows access to ban powers. Do you know who have access to your spouse account? |
| − | In South Egypt, I spend a good deal of my time online working on research projects along with the rest of SE and EG. We are not a lot of people, but we are hardworking and enjoy the challenge :) I'm a moderator on the Egypt wide chat channels, Egyptian Exchange and Egypt Today, which I also enjoy.
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| − | I have been Demi-Pharaoh in several tales, and it was a pleasure to serve Egypt as Demi-Pharaoh before, therefore I am here and able to serve again :) I am prepaid for the rest of the tale, and I will be staying active the entire time :)
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| − | When I am not in Egypt, I breed Norwegian forest cats, serve as an editor for a cat magazine and I'm the employer for a hand-full of people, so leadership for me comes very natural as it is a daily thing for me to lead, delegate, solve problems of all sorts, encourage and make sure everybody around me is happy and performing their best in a positive way.
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| | + | Q9. As DP do you think you should share your password? Do you think a DP should have access to other DP accounts? |
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| | + | Q10. What other powers would you like to see DPs hold, in the interests of improving game play? |
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| − | '''''Q2. As some specific examples, would you consider any of the following playstyles as worthy of DP intervention? Obelisk queue violation, bonfiring of a clay patches to prevent others from building, using large quantities of alts to rig elections, mentorship advancement, or other test passes?'''''
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| − | '''Dymo''': DP Intervention. Only two ways a DP can "intervene" threatening to ban a person, and actually banning a person. As of right now, the DP holds no other sway or powers. I do think a DP "could" be more and "could" do more around the server.
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| − | I like and use the Obelisk queue, but I do not take it personally if I get "jumped", its the nature of the test.
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| − | Bonefiring clay patches, if its next to your CP, I can understand it ( understand not agree with thou) I would not want a raeli oven next to my home either. But Bonefire to reserve an area away from your home, is not something I consider to be good taste, but it does not warrant a DP interaction either.
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| − | Mentorship advancement, yeah sure buy your shrines, how one is mentored, if its thru alot of chatting and hand holding, or showing them a simple rule, if you have resources, and want something else, you can trade ( you have XXX want a shrines, and are willing to pay XXX to get one) Not really worthy of anything aside from the two people involved in it.
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| − | Using alts to rig or force test passes, hard one. Its not a "nice" way of doing things, and no its not really fair. BUT it also doesn't really bother me, If he feels the need to pay and use multiple alts, more power to him. Its game, I do really enjoy playing it, it wouldn't be worth it to me to spend the extra cash to buy wins, but to each his own.
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| − | '''Brucette''': I'll cover these one at a time. Obelisk queue violation... In theory a queue is a violation of the "spirit of the test" we are supposed to try to out-build one another. While I typically wait until later in the tales to build an obelisk I have personally respected every obelisk queue in every tale. Bonfiring of clay patches and the new fad of the times in South Egypt right now of Welcome Banners all over the clay patches really bothers me. If you want to work that hard to cover a clay patch to keep someone from building an oven, why not put that same effort into building the oven? It looks even worse after almost two months into the tech and they have still not built their oven. Within personal camps is a different story but they must be a prettier way to cover that clay. Large quantities of alts are all still paid accounts and I believe that money earns them the right to play those alts as they see fit. However, "buying" a mentor pass just doesn't refelect the spirit of that test at all. Maybe it should be Test of Subscriptions. Whoever has the most wins.
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| − | '''Hanid''': Obelisk queue violation- No, Bonfiring of a clay patches to prevent others from building -No Using large quantities of alts to rig elections- No Mentorship advancement- No Other test passes - No The only time I would intervene in these kinds of disputes would be as a behind-the-scenes mediator, and that would only be upon request. I would automatically step if there was destruction of public property, for example someone intentionally blew up a chariot stop. In cases of private property, I would have to be informed by the property owner that the act was malevolent and not accidental.
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| − | '''Alkhar''': Some say obelisk queue is a violation of the test itself, and I may even agree with that. But what allways amuses me in this game is the amount of cooperation and the mentality of collaboration that is not imposed by any other instrument but for the players themselves. This is simply perfect. The society forms its own rule, follows it, and it works!
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| − | I find bonfires quite a delicate issue. I hate them, I despise them, I carry the Bonfire Reduction Tax petition with the hope of getting rid of them. Their existence in the very remote parts of Egypt ruins the feeling of being out in the wilds and I am sure this upsets many other Body test lovers. Yet, it is in such a state now that if people doesn't bonfire the clay patch on their camp, people will think they are not worried about somebody building an oven there. I already have dealt with many issues as such where people of limited play styles doesn't prefer or afford to build an oven and they want to keep their camp neat. Everyone has the right to pick their play style and everyone doesn't have to play all aspects of the game equally. That said, there is no explanation of bonfiring a clay spot that is in somebody else's camp or in the wilds. This is an act against the spirit of the community. There is no room for greed in Egypt. About alts, sadly it is the way any paid game works. Each one of us exist in this game through avatar that is paid for and those of us who pays more gets more existence. But an alt still requires a lot of work and if people does that work, they have the right to do as they please. I believe that in many cases, fellow Egyptians are aware where they have the right to do something and where their conscience doesn't allow them to do any harm to others. I don't have any alts myself and no plan to get one.'''
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| − | '''Bryce''': I do not consider any of those items by themselves to be grounds for banning. However, if there were complaints lodged against certain players for doing some of the above activities, the DP's should investigate and discuss ATITD's societal norms with the offenders and what most players consider appropriate and inappropriate behavior. Also there should be some open discussions to try to achieve a win/win situation for all parties involved in the dispute.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': I think that a DP could be helpful in mediating in some of the mentioned examples, yes. However if you are asking if any of the above examples deserves a ban, then my answer is no. We have a very unique legal system in this game, and if a person is harassing others with bonfires, wood-planes etc. then I strongly feel, that the Anti-Griefer Law should be used on the violating person. I think Egypt deserves the right to speak on those kinds of matters and not only one single person even if he is a DP. Banning another person is a very serious matter, and it should only be used as an absolutely last resort. If forced to use a ban, for a ban appropriate reason, I would strongly consider using one of the shorter term bans (one day, one week or one month) rather than a permanent exile.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': The ban is always the option of last resort. The first question to ask is 'is this an action that reasonable minds would nearly all agree is inappropriate'. For instance, bonfiring a clay patch far from your own camp is something I find inappropriate. But it seems to me that reasonable people could disagree on it. Therefore, the appropriate way to deal with it is to propose a legislative solution - majority rules. The ban should never be involved - that would simply be substituting my personal opinion on a controversial issue for some sort of majority consensus.
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| − | But even for actions that most people might agree are inappropriate (perhaps calling another player nasty names in public), social consequences for the behavior would likely be the more appropriate reaction. Bans are only appropriate when 1) the behavior is so egregious that there's little chance of reasonable disagreement, 2) social consequences are inadequate to reduce or control the inappropriate behavior and 3) the damage from the behavior is substantial. None of the above examples qualify.
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| − | '''Brucette''': I would lead a debate and explain my feelings. I would allow everyone else to do the same thing. After a thorough discussion we would vote and I would honour the outcome of the vote.
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| − | '''Hanid''': I would express my opinion, the facts and witnesses statements and how I came to my conclusion. I would listen to the other DP's opinions, and interpretation of the facts and witnesses statements. The goal would be to come to a mutually acceptable decision. I would not ban unless there was a majority consensus in favor of the move. The opposite scenario, if I thought an individual should not be banned, but was the only one who did, I might choose not to do the actual banning. I would refrain from public criticizing the majority decision, because it would serve no purpose, beyond drama.
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| − | '''Alkhar''': I don't see myself being easily against the general consensus that is well-discussed and reached through efficient reasoning. Yet somehow, although unlikely, if I find myself in a position where I am on the other side of the consensus, I would question myself sincerely and take a break. I am a man of reason and I don't see this happening that easily. Besides, I am terrified by the idea of ban a person can enact just like that. In the previous DP round, other candidates and I had great discussions to come up with a petition - MIRANDHOTEP RIGHTS AMMENDED- to regulate DP bans and prevent unjistified actions within reasonable manners to maintain the DP position as it is. I will add it to the very end of this page.
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| − | '''Bryce''': I would work with all the DP's to reach a consensus on a plan of action for the person, and if the consensus was the person NOT be banned, then I would put aside any personal feelings and follow the consensus of the group.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': After having investigated and presented my case to the other DP's and they advised against a ban, I would listen to the other DP's and respect their opinion. I would keep an eye on the person in question, and if he continued the behaviour that made me consider a ban the first time, then I would consult the other DP's again. No ban is undoable, so proper judgment and deliberation must by used prior to the use of even a One Day Ban.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': It is difficult to imagine this situation, as my view of appropriate bans is extremely narrow. But, in this whacky world where, say, GeoDude returns and resumes egregious behavior, and none of the DPs want to ban him/her....I would make my case the best that I was able to, but if I was still unable to convince *any* of the other DPs to my viewpoint, I would take a break to seriously analyze my own position - if every DP disagreed, perhaps it's a signal that I'm reacting emotionally, or illogically. If after such a break, I was still convinced, I would take the matter to the public of Egypt. If it seemed there was substantial public support for a ban, despite the position of the remaining DPs, I would put the ban to a general vote.
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| − | '''Dymo''': Well firstly I would moan and complain that no one else shared my opinion, that normally gets everyone one my side.... Probably have to think real hard why I am the only one that feels that way, and then maybe reevaluate if my feelings are purely personal. But regardless I would not go against a consensus of my peers.
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| − | '''Hanid''': Zero, zilch, none. My reasons for being in the desert have little to do with passing tests.
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| − | '''Alkhar''': I have passed pirates and bureaucrat. There is only one mentor shrine that has been built for me by a player that sadly has quit previous week.
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| − | '''Bryce''': I have not passed any other leadership tests currently, but am working on all of the tests currently opened in order to pass them at some point.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': I have already passed The Test of the Bureaucrat, and I am actively working on Mentorship, Kingmaker, Plantation and Retired Pirates. I plan to participate in Hegemon, Cartouche, as well as the other Leadership tests that are released later in the tale. I enjoy the leadership tests a lot and those are my main focus within the 7 disciplines of tests.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': I have nearly passed Bureaucrat, and am about to push through Plantation and Pirates. I intend to continue working on the remaining Leadership, Arch, and Body tests as the Tale goes on.
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| − | '''Dymo''': Passed Kingmaker..... the rest are started that are open.
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| − | '''Brucette''': Typically early in new tales I focus on tests that will raise my stats which aid in many tasks in the game. I was the first person to pass Kingmaker. That is because I have known the candidates for a long time and was able to predict what traits that Egypt would find useful for the first DP. Or, I got lucky, lol. I am making progress in Bureaucrat, Plantation and Retired Pirates and I am anxiously waiting on other tests to be available to dive head first into them.
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| − | '''Alkhar''': I would rather call it providing cooperation rather than leadership. In every project I have been in, I wasn't called leader or boss, but I was there doing my share of work and helping everyone else to do as they please to contribute. I have never been hesitant to roll up my sleeves and get to work when I see that things can be done better and I see that people feel more confident with the presence of one as such.
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| − | '''Bryce''': From the time I started playing the game I have strived to organize and lead events, guilds, projects, and activities. I have mentored many people in the game and continue to do so. I try to lead by example by always taking time to help other players when asked, to mentor when possible, help when available and otherwise make ATITD a more fun and satisfying game for everyone to enjoy.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': Leadership comes in many forms and shapes. I am not, and have never been fan of dictatorship or absolute monarchy. I feel that Egypt deserves better than that and that everybody has a right to be heard. Personally, I feel, by being a good example to my fellow Egyptians and by always trying to see things in a larger picture and from different angles, I show people a good way of playing/living in Egypt. Encouraging people to do the right thing, and helping them do the right thing is an important part of providing leadership, I think.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': While I try to make myself generally available to newer players with questions, I think the most significant way that I provide leadership is in fostering increased dialogue surrounding the questions of self-governance. Specifically, through the fall I hosted a series of "Spoke'n Smoked" events to discuss proposed laws and petition ideas, brainstorm about improvements that could be made, exactly how far legislation can and should go, and unintended consequences that could result from various law ideas. I will be restarting these events later this month.
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| − | '''Dymo''': Serious answer, I doubt I am, it would shock me if people thought I was leading anything in this game. The only thing I provide is a few small scripts, a few hybrid veggie seeds. I occasionally give resources to those who ask for them.
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| − | '''Brucette''': I work hard making sure I contribute to regional projects and help many people with advice based on my experience of all seven tales. I maintain a very large guild camp as an industrial complex to mass produce materials needed for advancement of the game and bring in helpers that can contribute to that cause. Plus we work on some of the larger group tests aswell.
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| − | '''Hanid''': This is an interesting question in that obvious leadership tendencies is not a prerequisite for DP. Flamboyancy isn't my thing, and I think leadership can be done behind the scenes. As a DP I think it is better to find solutions with a minimum of disturbance and drama. A job well done is when the problem is solved with only those directly involved knowing there was an issue, and those people being OK with the outcome.
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| − | '''Bryce''': By mentoring many fellow players, lending assistance whenever asked, sharing knowledge when possible, leading by example, getting r/l friends to play the game, and always trying to be a positive influence to my fellow players.
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| − | '''MissBarbara''': Right from the opening of the tale, Balthazarr and I have focused a lot on helping as many as we could. Right off we made many of our structures that were important, such as pottery wheels, rock saw's, masons benches, etc. public useable, so citizens around us didn't have to struggle with their basic needs. Since then, we have continued to donate and help develop our public facilities in SE, and I am very proud of what the local community can offer new citizens in SE. BTW. who do you think grew all of the ingredients to make the ash to fill all those benches in my husband's public glass compound? ;)
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| − | I have been working very hard on helping unlocking techs, both in SE and in other regions where it was needed and will continue to do so. Also another thing I do and that I find very important, and that I am thankful that a lot of people are good at is; Announcing sightings of safari animals, announcing and posting mushroom's on Shroomdar, announcing pearl beds of importance, Arch sites and anything else that could be helpful for others. It makes me so happy when a person chats me and says: Thanks you for your post on Shroomdar, I am now on my next DN list because of it!
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| − | Apart from that, I am working on wine, and an orchard that - when it is done - should be able to supply all honeys and fruits for the festivals. I can currently supply 87 of the fruits, and that have already proven to be a good thing, when Old Egypt needed their honeys and wine to open up Ambrosia Brewing :) You are welcome to come and visit at 703,-5441 and have a look :D
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| − | Another thing that I am a bit proud of is probably the Airship Construction in SE. Previous to this tale, I have never made a single thistle or piece of silk. But I quickly realized how much Airships could help all of us, so I decided, that I *had* to learn how to make thistles, so we could open that tech as fast as possible. I found a very good thistle-teacher and started out, failing and failing. I kept trying and finally understood the principles and since then, I have made most of the 800 Silk Cloth for the Airship Construction technology in SE. The only thing we are lacking at the moment is actually the mandibular glue. When we find 100 glue, the technology will be on timer, and we will be flying :)
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| − | In addition to material contributions for University Techs Research, I have donated herbs and other foodstuffs to the players who are involved in doing cooking research.
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| − | '''LuluDivine''': While I contribute a high proportion of my time toward research, I firmly believe that fostering true growth in the community requires something more - grappling with, and encouraging other people to confront, the difficult questions of self-governance.
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| − | In T5, I spearheaded a successful campaign (and wrote the law involved) to have a DP stripped of his power for what the community considered to be an abuse of his power (banning his former guildmates over a personal conflict he had with them). In T6, I wrote the Anti-Griefer Act in response to GeoDude's antics - at the time it was the only available way to ensure we would be physically capable of banning him (click to ban has its disadvantages) and that his detritus would be effectively removed. That law passed with an overwhelming 88% of the vote. That same law was resurrected this tale, and re-passed (albeit with a bit less fervor :p ). I was elected DP in both T5 and T6, and mediated a number of conflicts during those times.
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| − | In addition, I have hosted a number of 'Spoke'n Smoked' events during the fall (and intend to host more this spring) to encourage players to debate the merits of petitions, petition-ideas, and to foster more active participation in self-governance issues.
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| − | '''Dymo''': Realistically most of what I have done, I did for me, and then passed it on to the community, such as Macros, or Hybrid Crossbreeds.
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Dymo |
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Brucette |
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Hanid |
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Alkhar |
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Bryce |
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| | + | http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:MissBarbara |
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| | + | '''dymo''' Why do I want to be DP. Honestly I want to pass the test. I do not really want the power to ban. I can not dream of a reason I would use a DP Ban. I Yes I am sure we can bang our heads around till we find something so horrible, that I would say, "that deserves a ban" but the chances of that happening fall between slim and none. This game does not really attract the trolls and troublemakers, this game attracts a much different class of gamer. Would I ever use my ban, YES, but it would require a ballot to pass, the same way Geo**** was banned, thru a server ballot, and a server consensus. |
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| | '''Bryce''' - Being a DP in previous Tales I have not used my "ban stick". It would take someone like GeoDude or someone of his ilk to have me use it, but I would only after reaching a consensus with the other DP's as it being the correct course of action, and only as a last resort. | | '''Bryce''' - Being a DP in previous Tales I have not used my "ban stick". It would take someone like GeoDude or someone of his ilk to have me use it, but I would only after reaching a consensus with the other DP's as it being the correct course of action, and only as a last resort. |
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| | :Bans are always the option of last resort. Bans are only appropriate when 1) the behavior is so egregious that there's little chance of reasonable disagreement, 2) social consequences are inadequate to reduce or control the inappropriate behavior and 3) the damage from the behavior is substantial. This is exceedingly rare. | | :Bans are always the option of last resort. Bans are only appropriate when 1) the behavior is so egregious that there's little chance of reasonable disagreement, 2) social consequences are inadequate to reduce or control the inappropriate behavior and 3) the damage from the behavior is substantial. This is exceedingly rare. |
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| | + | '''Alkhar''' - Of course in most dire situations where harm is done deliberately and persistently. |
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| | + | '''Hanid''' - As DP I did use the ban, with unanimous consensus. I was the last one opposing the ban and was unlucky to be the one to find the person first. It was a sad moment, but I had given my word to do it. |
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| | + | '''MissBarbara''' - I used the first ban ever in Egypt. A test ban of a person who asked me to do it. He was leaving the game and really wanted to find out if the ban worked at all. It turned out that it didnt, so it was furtunate that it was "only" a test ban. I used a ban more in Tale1. I banned a GM played character during an event. "Saduat" was his name, and he confessed a murder in game and claimed that he would kill more people. <- All this a part of an event. I have never had to use any bans for anything else but this, and I will most likely not. As I have said before, we have a very unique law system in Egypt, and I think that Egypt has the right to speak in situations where it is possible in any way. :) |
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| | '''Question from Balhazarr - Since many of you have played for many tales I am curious who was your first mentor(s) and what did they do to help you to become so in love in this game that you have now played for so long? Is there any particular attribute or skill they imparted upon you that really sticks in your memory?''' | | '''Question from Balhazarr - Since many of you have played for many tales I am curious who was your first mentor(s) and what did they do to help you to become so in love in this game that you have now played for so long? Is there any particular attribute or skill they imparted upon you that really sticks in your memory?''' |
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| | + | '''dymo''' - I found this game just days after the last monuments went up in T2. As a lost and confused young lad, I was found by Squirranha, and he mentored me for a few days as T2 ended. As T3 begin, he continued his support, and I built my cp close to his on the northern reaches of LOR. I gained from him the sense and joy of a smaller guild, and a simpler way of playing. We have played on and off since till T5. T6 I had to leave the game at the mid point. I haven't seen him since, but I really enjoy our talks, and wish he would return. One other thing he taught me was, never build 1 or 2 of something, if its worth building 1-2 you will need 5-6 before you know it. Oh and he should me that there were macros for this game, and that jumpstarted my love of tinkering with them in this game. |
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| | '''Brucette''' - My 1st Mentor was Gumby in Tale 1. He was there the second I landed on the mainland and helped me a lot. He is the reason I came back in Tale 2 and has always been a good friend. | | '''Brucette''' - My 1st Mentor was Gumby in Tale 1. He was there the second I landed on the mainland and helped me a lot. He is the reason I came back in Tale 2 and has always been a good friend. |
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DP Debate Format Tale VII - 5th DP Election
Welcome to 5th DP Elections page. Our candidates for this debate: dymo, brucette, Hanid, Alkhar, Bryce, LuluDivine, MissBarbara.
Different time zones and pre-planned events made live debate impossible. Because of that our format changes to the following:
Part 1. We have twelve questions posted below, candidates will answer via user-pages by Saturday 8am EST/13:00 UTC. All answers will be compiled and posted here
Q1. For those who have never had the opportunity to interact with you before can you share a little about yourself, what you enjoy about ATITD as well as how long you have been playing?
Q2. As some specific examples, would you consider any of the following playstyles as worthy of DP intervention? Obelisk queue violation, bonfiring of a clay patches to prevent others from building, using large quantities of alts to rig elections, mentorship advancement, or other test passes?
Q3. If the general consensus of the rest of the DPs were that that person should not be banned, but you felt strongly that they should, what would you do?
Q4. How's your progress in other Leadership tests?
Q5. How are you providing leadership in the game and amongst the player base?
Q6. What specifically have you done to further the growth of the community?
Q7. How many Egypt-wide events e.g Acro, Digs or others have you organized in T7?
Q8. Spouselog allows access to ban powers. Do you know who have access to your spouse account?
Q9. As DP do you think you should share your password? Do you think a DP should have access to other DP accounts?
Q10. What other powers would you like to see DPs hold, in the interests of improving game play?
Q11. What question would you like to be asked, and why?
Q12. Closing Statement
Answers from our candidates can be found here:
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Dymo
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Brucette
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Hanid
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Alkhar
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:Bryce
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:MissBarbara
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/User:LuluDivine
Part 2. Egyptian Citizens submit questions by Saturday night and candidates answer directly on the debate page by the end of the weekend.
Please enter your name (or Anonymous) and question in below or chat Augir with the question.
Question from John Q. Egyptian - Under what circumstances would you use the ban as DP?
dymo Why do I want to be DP. Honestly I want to pass the test. I do not really want the power to ban. I can not dream of a reason I would use a DP Ban. I Yes I am sure we can bang our heads around till we find something so horrible, that I would say, "that deserves a ban" but the chances of that happening fall between slim and none. This game does not really attract the trolls and troublemakers, this game attracts a much different class of gamer. Would I ever use my ban, YES, but it would require a ballot to pass, the same way Geo**** was banned, thru a server ballot, and a server consensus.
Bryce - Being a DP in previous Tales I have not used my "ban stick". It would take someone like GeoDude or someone of his ilk to have me use it, but I would only after reaching a consensus with the other DP's as it being the correct course of action, and only as a last resort.
LuluDivine - I have been DP in two prior tales and I either used the ban once or not at all. (I cannot remember whether I helped ban one of Geo's alts at the beginning of T6 or if they were all done by Kuupid.) I answered this question already in the general questions, but here's the answer again:
- Bans are always the option of last resort. Bans are only appropriate when 1) the behavior is so egregious that there's little chance of reasonable disagreement, 2) social consequences are inadequate to reduce or control the inappropriate behavior and 3) the damage from the behavior is substantial. This is exceedingly rare.
Alkhar - Of course in most dire situations where harm is done deliberately and persistently.
Hanid - As DP I did use the ban, with unanimous consensus. I was the last one opposing the ban and was unlucky to be the one to find the person first. It was a sad moment, but I had given my word to do it.
MissBarbara - I used the first ban ever in Egypt. A test ban of a person who asked me to do it. He was leaving the game and really wanted to find out if the ban worked at all. It turned out that it didnt, so it was furtunate that it was "only" a test ban. I used a ban more in Tale1. I banned a GM played character during an event. "Saduat" was his name, and he confessed a murder in game and claimed that he would kill more people. <- All this a part of an event. I have never had to use any bans for anything else but this, and I will most likely not. As I have said before, we have a very unique law system in Egypt, and I think that Egypt has the right to speak in situations where it is possible in any way. :)
Question from Balhazarr - Since many of you have played for many tales I am curious who was your first mentor(s) and what did they do to help you to become so in love in this game that you have now played for so long? Is there any particular attribute or skill they imparted upon you that really sticks in your memory?
dymo - I found this game just days after the last monuments went up in T2. As a lost and confused young lad, I was found by Squirranha, and he mentored me for a few days as T2 ended. As T3 begin, he continued his support, and I built my cp close to his on the northern reaches of LOR. I gained from him the sense and joy of a smaller guild, and a simpler way of playing. We have played on and off since till T5. T6 I had to leave the game at the mid point. I haven't seen him since, but I really enjoy our talks, and wish he would return. One other thing he taught me was, never build 1 or 2 of something, if its worth building 1-2 you will need 5-6 before you know it. Oh and he should me that there were macros for this game, and that jumpstarted my love of tinkering with them in this game.
Brucette - My 1st Mentor was Gumby in Tale 1. He was there the second I landed on the mainland and helped me a lot. He is the reason I came back in Tale 2 and has always been a good friend.
Hanid - In my first tale there were so many strong personalities. I was completely overwhelmed and remember people I was in awe of, like Judd, Lorraine, Deeva and Soweto . . . I remember Shivani beating into me the right way to pick up gravel, hanging out with Ellorin making sculptures, Kuupid who was constantly trying to keep HHOF functioning and keeping me, and many others, out of various messes. Spooner taught me about quarries and mining and still hasn't given up trying to teach me to make a decent thermometer. There are new mentors with each new tale too. Zotep taught me the basics of chemistry last tale. This list could go on for pages. What each of these people have in common is they offered me some of themselves. I think it was their generosity with their knowledge and their patience that built the love I feel for the game today.
Bryce - My 1st Mentor was Usercare in T2. He was one of the first people I met other than the group that I migrated here from TSO with. His knowledge, humor, generosity, kindness, respect, and helpfulness really stuck out as traits that I should try to emulate.
MissBarbara - My first mentor in T1 was LittleCleo. A wonderful german woman who quickly got me into her and Susan's guild and helped me explore a lot of things on my own, always only a chat away. She was very good at making beer, a thing I still haven't tried, but since this is the tale for trying out stuff for me, I might take it up to honor her this Tale :)
Alkhar - I didn't really have a mentor as I started the game with a goal of discovering things by myself. I had many great friends who helped me a lot though.
LuluDivine - Though my brother, Sigil, got me into ATITD, my first mentor was Shayra. I joined her Newbie/Mentor/Public Works guild my first day of T4. She and I ended up running that guild together for the rest of the tale. I learned a lot about managing conflicting interests, motivating large groups of people, careful management of resources with a huge guild....all kinds of things. She's been a good friend for years now. She hasn't been online in awhile, though, and it's rumored that she may be ill - please send kind thoughts her way, if you can.
