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= Group C and Beyond discussion =
  
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== Required gearboxes ==
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Catlyn had a good point about our strategy of building mini-towers to try and get carrot and onion towers.  Her question was, is it worth eating up the capacity of the cistern with the mini-towers.  This is a good question, so I did some math to see if this strategy is worth it or not.  Below is a graph of our projected water use.  This assumes each tower consumes 1440 points of water per day (according to the T2 wiki), and that we will have a 1MIL sized cistern.  Current mini-towers = 14.
  
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These are the gearboxes required to upgrade from height 350 to height 400:
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!Number of towers
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!Water Use Per Day
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! # !! Gearbox !! Design !! Small !! Medium !! Large !! Designer
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!How long the cistern will sustain water
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| 1 || B296-B370 F72-F84 || B333 F72: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4; 4D:4,6; 6D:3,5; 7C:1,3,5; 7E:5,1,4; 8B:1,1,3; 8F:1,1,4; || 9 || 4 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| 2 || B397-B472 H469-H586 || B463 H556: 1A:3; 2A:3; 3A:3,5; 4B:1,3,5; 5C:5,1,3; 6D:3,6,4; 6F:1,5,4; 7C:1,1,4; 7G:1,1,4; 8B:1,1,4; 8H:1,1,4; || 12 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
 
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| 3 || A237-A294 G384-G453 || A278 G386: 1A:3; 2A:3; 3A:3; 4A:3,5; 5B:1,3,5; 6C:5,4,3; 6E:6,5; 7B:1,4; 7F:1,3,4; 8A:1,4; 8G:1,1,4; || 12 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
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|53 (39 Normal Towers + 14 mini-towers = Current number of towers)
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|76,320
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|1,000,000/76,320 = 13 days
 
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| 4 || A498-A573 F56-F66 || A556 F60: 1A:4; 2B:4,1,6; 3C:4,1; 4B:1,1,5; 4D:4; 5C:1,5,3; 5E:4; 6B:5,3; 6F:4; 7A:3; 7G:4,3; 8A:3; 8F:1,5; || 12 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
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|94 (80 Normal Towers, plus currently 14 mini-towers)
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|135,360
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|1,000,000/135,360 = 7 days
 
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| 5 || A369-A443 H156-H181 || A400 H167: 1A:4,1,6; 2B:4; 3A:1,1,5; 3C:4; 4B:1,6,3; 4D:4; 5E:4; 6B:1,5; 6F:4; 7A:1,3; 7G:4,5; 8A:1,3; 8H:1,3; || 11 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
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|110 (80 Normal Towers, plus 30 total mini-towers)
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|158,400
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|1,000,000/158,400 = 6 days
 
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| 6 || A43-A49 G406-G475 || A43 G463: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4,1,3; 4B:1,3,5; 4D:4,5; 5B:1,3; 5E:1,3,5; 6A:1,5,6; 6F:5,1,3; 7G:3; 8A:1,1,5; 8G:3; || 11 || 7 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| 7 || B236-B271 G419-G486 || B240 G480: 1A:6; 3A:5,6; 5A:1,5; 6B:1,3,6; 6D:1,1,5; 7B:1,3; 7E:1,1,3; 7F:1,4,3; 8B:1,3; 8G:1,4; || 7 || 6 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| 8 || B56-B67 G455-G560 || B60 F463 G463: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4; 4D:4; 5C:4,1,5; 6B:4; 6D:1,5,3; 7A:4,3; 7E:5,3; 8B:1,5; 8F:3; 8G:3; || 12 || 4 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| 9 || A283-A354 H374-H449 || A333 H400: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4,6; 5C:1,5; 6B:5,3; 6D:1,3,6; 6F:1,1,5; 7A:3; 7G:4,1,3; 8A:3; 8H:4; || 10 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| 10 || B95-B116 H219-H261 || B116 H231: 1A:5; 3A:6,5; 3C:4,1,3; 4B:1,3,5; 4D:4; 5E:4; 6B:3,1,6; 6F:4; 7B:3; 7G:4; 8B:3; 8H:4; || 11 || 5 || 0 || Inkoaten
 
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| TOTAL || || || 107 || 51 || 0 ||
 
 
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(If you spot a cheaper design, go ahead and change it in the table above)
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So, in the end, adding another 16 mini-towers on top of our current 14 mini-towers, in an attempt to bring SA a carrot and/or onion bonus tower, will cost the cistern only 1 day of extra drainage once we are finished upgrading our cistern to 1 Million.
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= Group B historical discussion =
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== Build Order ==
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'''Note: dresdor will most likely build last.  Luscado has to contribute still, and will also be fit into the build order.  Ping and Aolen are not building due to inactivity.  Biker and Sweetnothing have also stopped playing the game.'''
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Group B scores:
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Daniels        56704
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Bourbon        41988
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Arthur        26111.5
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''Aolen          16618.5''
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''Ping          15260''
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Dvo            15180
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klax          12100
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{Kalmkitty    11519.5
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{Mespho        11519.5
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Raia          11050
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CelAmun        7290
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{Shemeit      5575
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{Rami          5575
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Halinor        5080
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zisoni        4223
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ladygrim      3630
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{BL            2860.5
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{Augusta      2860.5
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Hanz (SpicyXX) 2440
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Luscado        1750
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Lacy
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Bobophet
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dresdor
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== What is still needed? ==
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This is a summary of what's still needed. The [[Guilds/SA Waterworks/Contributions|Contributions]] page is still the official record, so doublecheck there.
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(Last updated 21 June 1:45AM UTC)
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=== Cistern upgrade ===
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* 4,095 canvas
  
 
==Individual Plans==
 
==Individual Plans==
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===Aolen===
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*I have the 77 remaining copper pipes in the forges right now. They will be stashed as soon as I am finished my other forging.
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--[[User:Aolen|Aolen]] 19:32, 5 June 2009 (EST)
  
 
===Daniels===
 
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*I am a pipe segment making machine.
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*I am a pipe segment making machine.  
 
--[[User:Daniels|Daniels]] 00:00, 4 June 2009 (EST)
 
--[[User:Daniels|Daniels]] 00:00, 4 June 2009 (EST)
  
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===Aolen===
 
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*I will be working on small and medium gears tonight
 
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--[[User:Aolen|Aolen]] 10:19, 4 June 2009 (PST)
 
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===Arthur===
 
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* Green raeli tiles
 
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--[[User:Trillian|Trillian]] 19:13, 4 June 2009 (EST)
 
  
  
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* med/small gears
 
talk to Aplus for more info
 
talk to Aplus for more info
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== Tower tiles ==
 
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I can produce all tile types needed for tower construction. I'll trade 1:1 for tiles I can't make, or if you don't have an oven then send me a chat and we'll work something out. See [[User:Inkoaten/Raeli Tile Trading]] for a list of tiles I need (anything with Buy). --[[User:Inkoaten|Inkoaten]] 19:51, 1 June 2009 (EST)
 
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I have all ranges of colors, and in large quantities.  Feel free to beat me to the punch, but expect this part to be done quickly.  --[[User:Daniels|Daniels]] 00:01, 4 June 2009 (EST)
 
  
 
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* Making Canvas and Tiles. I have two ovens which I'm burning on Sunday mornings. Looks like 5500ish tiles a week. 2700ish of the Yellow Green, the other oven is Black/White/Other.
 
* Making Canvas and Tiles. I have two ovens which I'm burning on Sunday mornings. Looks like 5500ish tiles a week. 2700ish of the Yellow Green, the other oven is Black/White/Other.
  
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=== Trillian ===
 
  
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* Working on canvas adding it 100 at a time as long as needed, new oven just up, hopefully from figures above will be 2+k a week of white/black/other; intending on putting a 2-3 hundred cutstone in if still needed/room for(will check once I get around to cutting them, if I'm too late its np)
 
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--[[User:Trillian|Trillian]] 21:29, 10 May 2009 (EST)
 
  
 
=== Hitch/RosieRazor ===
 
=== Hitch/RosieRazor ===

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Use this page to communicate to the guild what you intend to build. Please understand that this does not mean you can reserve materials, as that would imply that the point system is pointless! In other words, members are not obligated to wait for you to finish collecting your materials, and there will be no consequence for contributing faster than someone else (the Test is based on time, after all). On the other hand, please respect others intentions to build as much as possible. This page is to be used as a courtesy towards each other. Remember, this is a team effort!


Group C and Beyond discussion

Catlyn had a good point about our strategy of building mini-towers to try and get carrot and onion towers. Her question was, is it worth eating up the capacity of the cistern with the mini-towers. This is a good question, so I did some math to see if this strategy is worth it or not. Below is a graph of our projected water use. This assumes each tower consumes 1440 points of water per day (according to the T2 wiki), and that we will have a 1MIL sized cistern. Current mini-towers = 14.

Number of towers Water Use Per Day How long the cistern will sustain water
53 (39 Normal Towers + 14 mini-towers = Current number of towers) 76,320 1,000,000/76,320 = 13 days
94 (80 Normal Towers, plus currently 14 mini-towers) 135,360 1,000,000/135,360 = 7 days
110 (80 Normal Towers, plus 30 total mini-towers) 158,400 1,000,000/158,400 = 6 days

So, in the end, adding another 16 mini-towers on top of our current 14 mini-towers, in an attempt to bring SA a carrot and/or onion bonus tower, will cost the cistern only 1 day of extra drainage once we are finished upgrading our cistern to 1 Million.

Group B historical discussion

Build Order

Note: dresdor will most likely build last. Luscado has to contribute still, and will also be fit into the build order. Ping and Aolen are not building due to inactivity. Biker and Sweetnothing have also stopped playing the game.

Group B scores: 

Daniels        56704
Bourbon        41988
Arthur         26111.5
Aolen          16618.5
Ping           15260
Dvo            15180
klax           12100
{Kalmkitty     11519.5
{Mespho        11519.5
Raia           11050
CelAmun        7290
{Shemeit       5575
{Rami          5575
Halinor        5080
zisoni         4223
ladygrim       3630
{BL            2860.5
{Augusta       2860.5
Hanz (SpicyXX) 2440
Luscado        1750
Lacy
Bobophet
dresdor

What is still needed?

This is a summary of what's still needed. The Contributions page is still the official record, so doublecheck there.

(Last updated 21 June 1:45AM UTC)

Cistern upgrade

  • 4,095 canvas

Individual Plans

Aolen

  • I have the 77 remaining copper pipes in the forges right now. They will be stashed as soon as I am finished my other forging.

--Aolen 19:32, 5 June 2009 (EST)

Daniels

  • I am a pipe segment making machine.

--Daniels 00:00, 4 June 2009 (EST)


Dvo

  • All color tiles as I burn them for temple
  • bricks
  • canvas
  • leather
  • tar
  • med/small gears

talk to Aplus for more info

Group A historical discussion

GEARBOXES

1: Numaris : 1 Gearbox B30-B35 F248-F293 5 med 10 small - done
2: Numaris: 1 Gearbox A357-A439 G88-G103 4 med 12 small - done
3: McArine: 1 Gearbox A418-A518 G67-G81 6 med 13 small - done
4: McArnine: 1 Gearbox A16-A20 F417-F492 7 med 12 small - done
5: Numaris: 1 Gearbox C282-C333 H406-H483 7 med 11 small - done
6: Numaris: 1 Gearbox A83-A101 F128-F148 3 med 11 small - done
7: Numaris: 1 Gearbox A421-A488 G311-G389 5 med 12 small - done
8: Numaris: 1 Gearbox A413-A479 G427-G495 3 med 11 small - done
9: McArine: 1 Gearbox A51-A59 H25-H29  7 med 14 small - done
10: Aplus : 1 Gearbox C206-C247 G440-G541 7 med 12 small - done
11: Aplus: 1 Gearbox C179-C208 G74-G88 5 med 10 small - done
12: Inkoaten: 1 Gearbox C290-C354 H407-H497 - done
  Shafts: 12
  Gears:  23  (12 small, 5 medium, 0 large)
  Box:    C333 H463: 1A:1,3; 2A:1,3; 3A:1,3; 4A:1,3,5; 5B:5,1,3; 6C:3,6; 6D:3; 6E:3; 6F:3,5; 7G:4,3; 8C:1,5; 8H:4;
13: Inkoaten: 1 Gearbox A271-A320 G48-G56 - done
  Shafts: 11
  Gears:  21  (11 small, 4 medium, 0 large)
  Box:    A278 G50: 1A:1,4; 2B:1,4; 3C:3,4; 4C:3; 5C:3; 6C:3,5; 7B:1,3,5; 7D:5; 7F:6,4; 8A:1,1,3; 8G:1,4;
14: McArine: 1 Gearbox B312-B378 H290-H336 3 med 12 small - done
15: McArine: 1 Gearbox A103-A128 F138-F163 5 med 10 small - done
16: McArine: 1 Gearbox A402-A490 H18-H21 3 med 13 small - done
17: Inkoaten: 1 Gearbox A31-A38 F499-F584 - done
  Shafts: 13
  Gears:  23  (11 small, 7 medium, 0 large)
  Box:    A36 F556: 1A:3,5; 2A:3; 3A:3; 4A:3,5; 5A:3; 5B:1,3,6; 5D:1,1,5; 6A:3; 6E:5,1,3; 7B:5,3; 7F:3; 8A:1,5; 8F:3;
18: Inkoaten: 1 Gearbox B69-B79 H226-H267 - done
  Gears:  20  (11 small, 5 medium, 0 large)
  Box:    B72 H240: 1A:1,6; 3A:3,5,6; 3C:1,1,5; 4A:3; 4D:4,1,3; 5A:3; 5E:4; 6A:3; 6F:4; 7A:3; 7G:4; 8B:5; 8H:4;
19: Inkoaten: 1 Gearbox B84-B100 G264-G325 - done
  Gears:  18  (11 small, 2 medium, 0 large)
  Box:    B100 G278: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4; 4D:4; 5E:4,5; 6D:4; 6F:1,3,5; 7C:4; 7G:1,1,3; 8B:4; 8G:1,1,3;
20: Numaris : 1 Gearbox C353-C406 H26-H30 7 med 11 small - done

GEARBOXES ROUND 2

1: Numaris:1 Gearbox B309-B355 G411-G477 5 med 11 small - done
2: Numaris:1 Gearbox C355-C415 H259-H321 5 med 11 small - done
3: Aplus:1 Gearbox B484-B571 G466-G555 2 med 13 small 1 large - done
4: Numaris:1 Gearbox C19-C23 G78-G93 5 med 12 small - done
5: Numaris:1 Gearbox C72-C86 G369-G432 6 med 10 small - done
6: Aplus:1 Gearbox C51-C64 F360-F450 6 med 16 small - done
7: Aplus:1 Gearbox C406-C503 F428-F501 3 med 11 small - done
8: Aplus:1 Gearbox C29-C35 G429-G511 6 med 14 small - done
9: Aplus:1 Gearbox C401-C501 H329-H411 5 med 11 small - done
10: Inkoaten:1 Gearbox C385-C462 F37-F45 - built
 Shafts: 11
 Gears:  26  (12 small, 6 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    C400 F43: 1A:1,3; 1B:4,3; 2C:4,1,6; 4C:3,1,5; 5B:1,6,3; 5D:5,3; 6E:1,5,4; 7B:1,5; 7F:3,1,4; 8C:1,3; 8F:3;
11: Inkoaten:1 Gearbox B19-B23 G139-G167 - built
 Shafts: 11
 Gears:  22  (11 small, 4 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    B22 G167: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4; 4D:4; 5E:4,3; 6D:1,5,3; 6F:4,1,5; 7C:3,1,5; 7G:1,1,3; 8B:5; 8G:1,1,3;
12: Inkoaten:1 Gearbox C126-C158 G135-G157 - built
 Shafts: 10
 Gears:  17  (10 small, 4 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    C144 G144: 1A:1,3; 2A:4,3; 3B:4; 4C:4,1,6; 4E:1,6,5; 6E:4,5; 7D:4; 7F:4; 8C:4; 8G:4;
13: Inkoaten:1 Gearbox C489-C587 F144-F171 - built
 Shafts: 12
 Gears:  21  (12 small, 4 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    C556 F167: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4; 4D:4,5; 5C:1,1,5; 5E:1,3,6; 6B:5,1,3; 6E:1,3; 7C:3; 7E:4,3; 8C:3; 8F:4;
14: Inkoaten:1 Gearbox C142-C163 F244-F285
 Shafts: 11
 Gears:  21  (10 small, 6 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    C144 F278: 1A:4; 2B:4; 3C:4,3; 4C:1,3,6; 4D:4; 5E:4; 6C:6,1,5; 6F:4,5; 7G:1,3,5; 8C:5; 8F:1,1,3;
15: Numaris:1 Gearbox B179-B220 G110-G129 2 med 13 small - done
16: Daniels:1 Gearbox A480-A600 F442-F517 5 med 13 smalls - done
17: Daniels:1 Gearbox B67-B78 F386-F448 11 med 6 small - done
18: Aplus:1 Gearbox C432-C501 F254-F295 3 med 14 small - done
19: Numaris:1 Gearbox B227-B261 F467-F579
20: Aplus:1 Gearbox B120-B148 G205-G244 4 med 11 small - done

GEARBOXES ROUND 3

1:Numaris:1 Gearbox A414-A484 F67-F82 6 med 10 small - done
2:Numaris:1 Gearbox C363-C443 H251-H299 5 med 11 small - done
3:Numaris:1 Gearbox A27-A33 H359-H427 7 med 9 small
4:Numaris:1 Gearbox A311-A386 F293-F366 - done
5:Inkoaten:1 Gearbox A262-A301 G391-G457 - done
 Shafts: 12
 Gears:  27  (11 small, 6 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    A278 G400: 1A:1,3; 2A:4,3; 3B:4; 4C:4,5,6; 4E:1,1,5; 5B:1,3; 5F:6,1,3; 6B:1,3,5; 7A:1,1,3; 7F:5; 8A:1,1,3; 8G:3;
6:Inkoaten:1 Gearbox C399-C471 G134-G168 - done
 Shafts: 10
 Gears:  18  (10 small, 3 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    C463 G167: 1A:1,5; 2B:1,3; 3B:4,3; 4C:4; 5D:4; 6E:4,5; 7D:1,3,5; 7F:4; 8C:1,1,3; 8G:4;
7:Numaris:1 Gearbox C290-C360 H413-H508
8:Aplus:1 Gearbox A49-A60 H389-H451
 Shafts: 14
 Gears:  23  (14 small, 5 medium, 0 large)
 Box:    A60 H400: 1A:4; 2B:4,3,6; 2D:1,1,5; 3A:3,5; 3E:1,6,3; 4A:3; 5A:3; 5E:1,5; 6A:3; 6F:4,3; 7A:3; 7G:4; 8A:3; 8H:4;
9:Aplus:1 Gearbox B90-B105 F25-F30 - done
10:Aplus:1 Gearbox C75-C88 G467-G584 - done

Build Order w/ Final Points

Fractions were thrown out for those that split a pool of points. I assume those that split points can decide amongst themselves what they want the actual build order to be. 

1) Diania	168,688
2) Catlyn	155,984
3) Aplus	 99,155
4) Cali 	 99,155
5) Sefet	 73,414
6) Inkoaten	 69,782
7) Numaris	 51,467
8) Kartal	 43,860
9) Robare	 36,360
10) Trillian	 22,598
11) Asnath	 21,646
12) Kastou	 21,646
13) Darwishi	 15,953
14) Nourbese	 15,953
15) McArine	 15,953
16) Ping	 13,320
17) RosieRazor	 12,712
18) Hitch	 12,712
19) Tricross	 12,415
20) JulianJaynes  7,103

What do we still need?

The contributions page is still the official place to look, but this might be easier to read..

(last updated May 30, 12:20 UTC)

Tiles

  • 2.1k Black
  • 18k any color

Individual plans

Use this page to communicate to the guild what you intend to build. Please understand that this does not mean you can reserve materials, as that would imply that the point system is pointless! In other words, members are not obligated to wait for you to finish collecting your materials, and there will be no consequence for contributing faster than someone else (the Test is based on time, after all). On the other hand, please respect others intentions to build as much as possible. This page is to be used as a courtesy towards each other. Remember, this is a team effort!

Please add a date to your entry.

Aplus/Cali

  • tiles (not specifying a number but will have some for each category and will donate as burned) (05/11/09)
  • have 3 OSM, 3 Night Granite and 2 Grey Star quarries up, just need a bit of gearbox work and a lot of quarrying.

--Cali 14:52, 11 May 2009 (EST)

Inkoaten

  • 2500-3000/week of each of pinkish, greenish, yellowish tiles (7500-9000/week total)
  • I am working some OSM and Night Granite quarries jointly with Numaris, for personal use. If I end up with extra and we still need marble, I can contribute that.
  • Some route surveying data is here: User:Inkoaten/Survey
  • Working on another 25k bricks (which I'll put in another new warehouse by the pump location) About 10k bricks in a WH by the pump just in case, but we're OK for bricks now without them.
  • Concrete with Numaris

--Inkoaten 09:46, 15 May 2009 (EST)

Catlyn

  • Making Canvas and Tiles. I have two ovens which I'm burning on Sunday mornings. Looks like 5500ish tiles a week. 2700ish of the Yellow Green, the other oven is Black/White/Other.


Hitch/RosieRazor

  • Working on concrete. Also burning tiles but only black/white/other. Also starting to play with gearboxes

--Hitch 21:02, 11 May 2009 (EST)

Sefet

  • Growin' veggies off and on.

--Sefet 17:02, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

JulianJaynes

  • working on 7k bricks, some pipe segments and maybe more gears if I can get the mats. JulianJaynes 19:48, 17 May 2009 (EST)
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