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== Methodology, Theories, and Notes ==
 
== Methodology, Theories, and Notes ==
  
#I have created this list primarily from a survey of my current herb inventory (approx 38k herbs), in conjunction with my knowledge of herb rarities from previous tellings and a bit of guesswork.  Given the vast differences in rarities between herbs at the top of the list and herbs at the bottom of the list, my sample size is not sufficient to derive rarities from by itself.   
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#I have created this list primarily from a survey of my current herb inventory (approx 91k herbs), in conjunction with my knowledge of herb rarities from previous tellings and a bit of guesswork.  Given the vast differences in rarities between herbs at the top of the list and herbs at the bottom of the list, my sample size is not sufficient to derive rarities from by itself.   
#My certainty of herbs' relative rarities is high for the more common herbs (I had over 1k deben each of the Class 1 herbs, as of this writing), and much lower for the rarer herbs.  My suspicion is that some herbs listed here as Class 8-9 may in fact belong in a class higher or lower.  Class 10 consists largely of herbs I haven't even found this telling (I have the 7777 Herbs Harvested achievement), and it is ''very'' likely that there is in fact a Class 11, and possibly even a Class 12 -- once you get to Class 10, the herbs are so rare that it is difficult to determine just how rare they are.
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#My certainty of herbs' relative rarities is high for the more common herbs (I had over 2.5k deben each of the Class 1 herbs, as of this writing), and much lower for the rarer herbs.  I have the 7777 herbs harvested achievement (I'm probably closer to 20k herbs harvested), and I'm one herb away from the 200 techniques memorized achievement (started late on that one).  In other words, I have done a lot of foraging.  But even with all that foraging, there are herbs on this list I haven't found, and my hypotheses regarding Classes 10-12 are based largely on guesswork, combined with the handy in-game foraging achievements (which have been dev-confirmed to be the rarest herbs in the game).  Therefore, with the exception of classes 1-3, which should be considered pretty much gospel, all herbs may be +/- 1 category away from their true class.  I am reasonably confident than none are off by more than one class, however.
#For Classes 1-5, there is a very neat progression of rarity, at a quite consistent ratio.  Class 1 herbs are roughly twice as common as Class 2 herbs, which are roughly twice as common as Class 3 herbs, and so on.  Therefore, you can generally expect to find eight times as much Common Basil as you will find Banto, and eight times as much Banto as you will find Apothecary's Scythe.
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#For Classes 1-5, there is a very neat progression of rarity, at a quite consistent ratio.  Class 1 herbs are roughly twice as common as Class 2 herbs, which are roughly twice as common as Class 3 herbs, and so on.  Therefore, you can generally expect to find eight times as much Common Basil as you will find Banto, and eight times as much Banto as you will find Bay Tree.
#My suspicion is that this progression continues throughout all Classes (and that there are more than 10 classes), but I just don't have a large enough sample size to be sure.
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#My suspicion is that this progression continues throughout all Classes, but I just don't have a large enough sample size to be sure.
#Herbs ''definitely'' have seasons.  This means that during an herb's season, its rarity may be decreased by as much as 3 or so classes.  I suspect that herbs also have off-seasons, during which their rarity is ''increased'' by 3 or so classes.
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#Herbs ''definitely'' have seasons.  This means that during an herb's season, its rarity may be decreased by as much as 2 or so classes.  I suspect that herbs also have off-seasons, during which their rarity is ''increased'' by 2 or so classes.
 
#Herbs ''may'' be regional.  This data is collected primarily from foraging in Maia.  In T3, when I had even more herbs, collected primarily in Sinai, the distribution was somewhat different.  Unfortunately, I don't know if that difference is due to changes made since T3 or if the difference is due to being in a different location.
 
#Herbs ''may'' be regional.  This data is collected primarily from foraging in Maia.  In T3, when I had even more herbs, collected primarily in Sinai, the distribution was somewhat different.  Unfortunately, I don't know if that difference is due to changes made since T3 or if the difference is due to being in a different location.
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#I am indebted to [http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Guilds/Arcadia/Herbs this list] for giving me the idea for this list.  You may also find that list to be helpful in establishing rarities, but note that it is T3 data (and there are several rarities there I disagree with).
  
 
If you disagree with any items on this list, please either make a note at the bottom of the page or in the Discussion page rather than editing the list itself.  Thanks.
 
If you disagree with any items on this list, please either make a note at the bottom of the page or in the Discussion page rather than editing the list itself.  Thanks.
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For chuckles, herbs I have not yet found (at all) this telling have been marked with an asterisk (*).
  
 
==Class 1: Dirt Common==
 
==Class 1: Dirt Common==
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==Class 2: Very Common (approx 1/2 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 2: Very Common (approx 1/2 as common as Class 1s)==
Bluebottle Clover, Buckler-Leaf, Chives, Common Sage, Dark Ochoa, Fool's Agar, Glechoma, Houseleek, Indigo Damia, Mountain Mint, Myristica, Pale Dhamasa, Tiny Clover
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Bluebottle Clover, Buckler-Leaf, Chives, Common Sage, Dark Ochoa, Fool's Agar, Glechoma, Indigo Damia, Mountain Mint, Lemondrop, Myristica, Pale Dhamasa, Tiny Clover
  
 
==Class 3: Common (approx 1/4 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 3: Common (approx 1/4 as common as Class 1s)==
Black Pepper Plant, Cardamom, Cinnamon, Crampbark, Crimson Lettuce, Daggerleaf, Dwarf Hogweed, Harebell, Hazlewort, Hyssop, Lemondrop, Lythrum, Mariae, Meadowsweet, Mindanao, Morpha, Motherwort, Satsatchi, Shrub Sage, Silvertongue Damia, Stickler Hedge, Strawberry Tea, Sweetgrass, Tsangto, Xanosi  
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Black Pepper Plant, Cardamom, Cinnamon, Crampbark, Crimson Lettuce, Daggerleaf, Dwarf Hogweed, Fleabane, Hazlewort, Houseleek, Hyssop, Lythrum, Mariae, Meadowsweet, Mindanao, Morpha, Motherwort, Satsatchi, Shrub Sage, Silvertongue Damia, Stickler Hedge, Sorrel, Strawberry Tea, Sweetgrass, Tsangto, Xanosi  
  
 
==Class 4: Still Pretty Common (approx 1/8 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 4: Still Pretty Common (approx 1/8 as common as Class 1s)==
Anansi, Banto, Blue Terafern, Chatinabrae, Cinquefoil, Covage, Dalchini, Drapeau D'Or, Dusty Blue Sage, Dwarf Wild Lettuce, Fleabane, Ginger Root, Ginseng Root, Golden Thyme, Katako Root, Mirabellis Fern, Opal Harebell, Pale Russet, Pippali, Prisniparni, Pulmonaria Opal, Purple Tintiri, Sagar Ghota, Sandy Dustweed, Shrubby Basil, Soapwort, Sorrel, Spinach, Steel Bladegrass, Sweetsop, True Tarragon, Weeping Patala, Whitebelly, Wild Onion, Yellow Tristeria, Yigory
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Anansi, Banto, Blue Terafern, Chatinabrae, Cinquefoil, Covage, Dalchini, Drapeau D'Or, Ginger Root, Ginseng Root, Golden Thyme, Harebell, Katako Root, Opal Harebell, Orange Niali, Pale Ochoa, Pale Russet, Panoe, Pippali, Prisniparni, Pulmonaria Opal, Purple Tintiri, Rhubarb, Sagar Ghota, Shrubby Basil, Soapwort, Spinach, Steel Bladegrass, Sweetflower, True Tarragon, Wild Onion, Yigory
  
 
==Class 5: Uncommon (approx 1/16 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 5: Uncommon (approx 1/16 as common as Class 1s)==
(approx 65-100) Aloe, Ashoka, Bee Balm, Beetle Leaf, Blooded Harebell, Blue Damia, Brown Muskerro, Burnt Tarragon, Calabash, Caraway, Chaffa, Corsacia, Creeping Thyme, Crimson Pipeweed, Crumpled Leaf Basil, Dank Mullien, Digweed, Earth Apple, Elegia, Finlow, Fire Allspice, Fumitory, Garcinia, Garlic Chives, Harrow, Headache Tree, Honey Mint, Ipomoea, Jagged Dewcup, Khokali, Lavender Navarre, Mahonia, Myrrh, Orange Niali, Orange Sweetgrass, Pale Ochoa, Panoe, Pitcher Plant, Primula, Rhubarb, Shyama, Skirret, Sugar Cane, Sweetflower, Tagetese, Tamarask, Tangerine Dream, Upright Ochoa, Wild Yam, Yava
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Aloe, Ashoka, Bee Balm, Beetle Leaf, Blue Damia, Brown Muskerro, Burnt Tarragon, Calabash, Caraway, Chaffa, Clingroot, Corsacia, Creeping Thyme, Crimson Pipeweed, Crumpled Leaf Basil, Dank Mullien, Dark Radish, Digweed, Dusty Blue Sage, Dwarf Wild Lettuce, Earth Apple, Finlow, Fire Allspice, Fumitory, Garcinia, Garlic Chives, Gynura, Harrow, Headache Tree, Hogweed, Honey Mint, Ipomoea, Jagged Dewcup, Khokali, Lavender Navarre, Mahonia, Medicago, Myrrh, Mirabellis Fern, Orange Sweetgrass, Pitcher Plant, Primula, Sandy Dustweed, Shyama, Skirret, Sugar Cane, Sweetsop, Tagetese, Tamarask, Tangerine Dream, Weeping Patala, Whitebelly, Wild Yam, Yava, Yellow Tristeria, Zanthoxylum
  
 
==Class 6: Very Uncommon (approx 1/32 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 6: Very Uncommon (approx 1/32 as common as Class 1s)==
(approx 35-60) Altar's Blessing, Beggar's Button, Bhillawa, Blood Root, Brassy Caltrops, Cicada Bean, Clingroot, Crimson Nightshade, Dark Radish, Enchanter's Plant, Fire Lily, Flander's Blossom, Gokhru, Gynura, Ilex, Jaivanti, Joy of the Mountain, Larkspur, Liquorice, Lungclot, Medicago, Miniature Bamboo, Miniature Lamae, Red Pepper, Rubydora, Sky Gladalia, Trilobe, Tristeria, Tsatso, Zanthoxylum
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Altar's Blessing, Beggar's Button, Bhillawa, Blooded Harebell, Cicada Bean, Elegia, Flander's Blossom, Gokhru, Ilex, Joy of the Mountain, Larkspur, Liquorice, Lungclot, Miniature Bamboo, Miniature Lamae, Red Pepper, Rubydora, Squill, Tristeria, Tsatso, Umber Basil, Upright Ochoa
  
 
==Class 7: Rare (approx 1/64 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 7: Rare (approx 1/64 as common as Class 1s)==
(approx 20-30) Apiphenalm, Apothecary's Scythe, Asane, Bay Tree, Bloodwort, Bull's Blood, Butterroot, Cranesbill, Crimson Clover, Crimson Windleaf, Curly Sage, Dameshood, Death's Piping, Fivesleaf, Gnemnon, Ice Mint, Jugwort, Lavender Scented Thyme, Maragosa, Pale SKirret, Patchouli, Peppermint, Quamash, Royal Rosemary, Rubia, Schisandra, Squill, Sweet Groundmaple, Thunder Plant, Turtle's Shell, Umber Basil, Wasabi Wood Sage, Xanat
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Apiphenalm, Asafoetida, Bay Tree, Bilimbi, Blood Root, Bloodwort, Brassy Caltrops, Bull's Blood, Butterroot, Crimson Clover, Crimson Nightshade, Crimson Windleaf, Curly Sage, Dameshood, Death's Piping, Enchanter's Plant, Fire Lily, Fivesleaf, Gnemnon, Jaivanti, Jugwort, Lavender Scented Thyme, Maragosa, Pale Skirret, Patchouli, Peppermint, Quamash, Royal Rosemary, Rubia, Schisandra, Sandalwood, Sky Gladalia, Sweet Groundmaple, Thunder Plant, Trilobe, Turtle's Shell, Wasabi, White Pepper Plant, Xanat
  
 
==Class 8: Very Rare (approx 1/128 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 8: Very Rare (approx 1/128 as common as Class 1s)==
(<20) Allbright, Asafoetida, Azure Tristeria, Bilimbi, Blessed Mariae, Blueberry Tea Tree, Blood Balm, Chukkah, Cirallis, Dewplant, Flaming Skirret, Ginger Tarragon, Golden Sun, Jaiyanti, King's Coin, Lemon Grass, Moon Aloe, Naranga, Orris, Revivia, Sandalwood, Shyamalata, Strychnos, White Pepper, Wild Garlic
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Allbright, Apothecary's Scythe, Asane, Azure Tristeria, Blueberry Tea Tree, Blood Balm, Chukkah, Cranesbill, Dewplant, Flaming Skirret, Ginger Tarragon, Heartsease, Jaiyanti, King's Coin, Lemon Basil, Moon Aloe, Naranga, Nubian Liquorice, Revivia, Shyamalata, Strychnos, Wild Garlic, Wood Sage
  
 
==Class 9: Extremely Rare (approx 1/256 as common as Class 1s)==
 
==Class 9: Extremely Rare (approx 1/256 as common as Class 1s)==
Artemisia, Bitter Florian, Bleubillae, Butterfly Damia, Cassia, Creeping Black Nightshade, Cyan Cressida, Golden Gladalia, Golden Sellia, Golden Sweetgrass, Heartsease, Ice Blossom, Lamae, Lemon Basil, Lilia, Malice Weed, Mandrake Root, Nubian Liquorice, Spinnea, Vanilla Tea Tree, Verdant Two-Lobe, Yellow Gentian
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Bitter Florian, Blessed Mariae, Cassia, Cirallis, Golden Sun, Golden Sweetgrass, Ice Mint, Lemon Grass, Mandrake Root, Orris, Spinnea, Yellow Gentian
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==Class 10: Psychotically Rare (approx 1/512 as common as Class 1s)==
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Artemisia, Bleubillae, Butterfly Damia, Golden Gladalia, Golden Sellia, Lamae, Malice Weed, Scaley Hardwood, Vanilla Tea Tree, Verdant Two-Lobe
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==Class 11: Rarer Than You Can Probably Conceive (approx 1/1024 as common as Class 1s)==
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Blood Blossom, Blushing Blossom, Camelmint*, Creeping Black Nightshade*, Deadly Catsclaw*, Lilia, Ice Blossom, Sacred Palm
  
==Class 10: Psychotically Rare (somewhere between 1/512 and 1/2048 as common as Class 1s)==
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==Class 12: Achievement Rare (approx 1/2048 as common as Class 1s)==
Blood Blossom, Blushing Blossom, Camelmint, Deadly Catsclaw, Deadwood Tree, Golden Dubloons, Homesteader's Palm, Octec's Grace, Paradise Lily, Sacred Palm, Scaley Hardwood, Sickly Root
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Deadwood Tree, Golden Dubloon, Homesteader's Palm, Octec's Grace, Paradise Lily, Sickly Root

Latest revision as of 03:23, 22 July 2011

Methodology, Theories, and Notes

  1. I have created this list primarily from a survey of my current herb inventory (approx 91k herbs), in conjunction with my knowledge of herb rarities from previous tellings and a bit of guesswork. Given the vast differences in rarities between herbs at the top of the list and herbs at the bottom of the list, my sample size is not sufficient to derive rarities from by itself.
  2. My certainty of herbs' relative rarities is high for the more common herbs (I had over 2.5k deben each of the Class 1 herbs, as of this writing), and much lower for the rarer herbs. I have the 7777 herbs harvested achievement (I'm probably closer to 20k herbs harvested), and I'm one herb away from the 200 techniques memorized achievement (started late on that one). In other words, I have done a lot of foraging. But even with all that foraging, there are herbs on this list I haven't found, and my hypotheses regarding Classes 10-12 are based largely on guesswork, combined with the handy in-game foraging achievements (which have been dev-confirmed to be the rarest herbs in the game). Therefore, with the exception of classes 1-3, which should be considered pretty much gospel, all herbs may be +/- 1 category away from their true class. I am reasonably confident than none are off by more than one class, however.
  3. For Classes 1-5, there is a very neat progression of rarity, at a quite consistent ratio. Class 1 herbs are roughly twice as common as Class 2 herbs, which are roughly twice as common as Class 3 herbs, and so on. Therefore, you can generally expect to find eight times as much Common Basil as you will find Banto, and eight times as much Banto as you will find Bay Tree.
  4. My suspicion is that this progression continues throughout all Classes, but I just don't have a large enough sample size to be sure.
  5. Herbs definitely have seasons. This means that during an herb's season, its rarity may be decreased by as much as 2 or so classes. I suspect that herbs also have off-seasons, during which their rarity is increased by 2 or so classes.
  6. Herbs may be regional. This data is collected primarily from foraging in Maia. In T3, when I had even more herbs, collected primarily in Sinai, the distribution was somewhat different. Unfortunately, I don't know if that difference is due to changes made since T3 or if the difference is due to being in a different location.
  7. I am indebted to this list for giving me the idea for this list. You may also find that list to be helpful in establishing rarities, but note that it is T3 data (and there are several rarities there I disagree with).

If you disagree with any items on this list, please either make a note at the bottom of the page or in the Discussion page rather than editing the list itself. Thanks.

For chuckles, herbs I have not yet found (at all) this telling have been marked with an asterisk (*).

Class 1: Dirt Common

Common Basil, Common Rosemary, Discorea, Thyme, Verdant Squill, Wild Lettuce

Class 2: Very Common (approx 1/2 as common as Class 1s)

Bluebottle Clover, Buckler-Leaf, Chives, Common Sage, Dark Ochoa, Fool's Agar, Glechoma, Indigo Damia, Mountain Mint, Lemondrop, Myristica, Pale Dhamasa, Tiny Clover

Class 3: Common (approx 1/4 as common as Class 1s)

Black Pepper Plant, Cardamom, Cinnamon, Crampbark, Crimson Lettuce, Daggerleaf, Dwarf Hogweed, Fleabane, Hazlewort, Houseleek, Hyssop, Lythrum, Mariae, Meadowsweet, Mindanao, Morpha, Motherwort, Satsatchi, Shrub Sage, Silvertongue Damia, Stickler Hedge, Sorrel, Strawberry Tea, Sweetgrass, Tsangto, Xanosi

Class 4: Still Pretty Common (approx 1/8 as common as Class 1s)

Anansi, Banto, Blue Terafern, Chatinabrae, Cinquefoil, Covage, Dalchini, Drapeau D'Or, Ginger Root, Ginseng Root, Golden Thyme, Harebell, Katako Root, Opal Harebell, Orange Niali, Pale Ochoa, Pale Russet, Panoe, Pippali, Prisniparni, Pulmonaria Opal, Purple Tintiri, Rhubarb, Sagar Ghota, Shrubby Basil, Soapwort, Spinach, Steel Bladegrass, Sweetflower, True Tarragon, Wild Onion, Yigory

Class 5: Uncommon (approx 1/16 as common as Class 1s)

Aloe, Ashoka, Bee Balm, Beetle Leaf, Blue Damia, Brown Muskerro, Burnt Tarragon, Calabash, Caraway, Chaffa, Clingroot, Corsacia, Creeping Thyme, Crimson Pipeweed, Crumpled Leaf Basil, Dank Mullien, Dark Radish, Digweed, Dusty Blue Sage, Dwarf Wild Lettuce, Earth Apple, Finlow, Fire Allspice, Fumitory, Garcinia, Garlic Chives, Gynura, Harrow, Headache Tree, Hogweed, Honey Mint, Ipomoea, Jagged Dewcup, Khokali, Lavender Navarre, Mahonia, Medicago, Myrrh, Mirabellis Fern, Orange Sweetgrass, Pitcher Plant, Primula, Sandy Dustweed, Shyama, Skirret, Sugar Cane, Sweetsop, Tagetese, Tamarask, Tangerine Dream, Weeping Patala, Whitebelly, Wild Yam, Yava, Yellow Tristeria, Zanthoxylum

Class 6: Very Uncommon (approx 1/32 as common as Class 1s)

Altar's Blessing, Beggar's Button, Bhillawa, Blooded Harebell, Cicada Bean, Elegia, Flander's Blossom, Gokhru, Ilex, Joy of the Mountain, Larkspur, Liquorice, Lungclot, Miniature Bamboo, Miniature Lamae, Red Pepper, Rubydora, Squill, Tristeria, Tsatso, Umber Basil, Upright Ochoa

Class 7: Rare (approx 1/64 as common as Class 1s)

Apiphenalm, Asafoetida, Bay Tree, Bilimbi, Blood Root, Bloodwort, Brassy Caltrops, Bull's Blood, Butterroot, Crimson Clover, Crimson Nightshade, Crimson Windleaf, Curly Sage, Dameshood, Death's Piping, Enchanter's Plant, Fire Lily, Fivesleaf, Gnemnon, Jaivanti, Jugwort, Lavender Scented Thyme, Maragosa, Pale Skirret, Patchouli, Peppermint, Quamash, Royal Rosemary, Rubia, Schisandra, Sandalwood, Sky Gladalia, Sweet Groundmaple, Thunder Plant, Trilobe, Turtle's Shell, Wasabi, White Pepper Plant, Xanat

Class 8: Very Rare (approx 1/128 as common as Class 1s)

Allbright, Apothecary's Scythe, Asane, Azure Tristeria, Blueberry Tea Tree, Blood Balm, Chukkah, Cranesbill, Dewplant, Flaming Skirret, Ginger Tarragon, Heartsease, Jaiyanti, King's Coin, Lemon Basil, Moon Aloe, Naranga, Nubian Liquorice, Revivia, Shyamalata, Strychnos, Wild Garlic, Wood Sage

Class 9: Extremely Rare (approx 1/256 as common as Class 1s)

Bitter Florian, Blessed Mariae, Cassia, Cirallis, Golden Sun, Golden Sweetgrass, Ice Mint, Lemon Grass, Mandrake Root, Orris, Spinnea, Yellow Gentian

Class 10: Psychotically Rare (approx 1/512 as common as Class 1s)

Artemisia, Bleubillae, Butterfly Damia, Golden Gladalia, Golden Sellia, Lamae, Malice Weed, Scaley Hardwood, Vanilla Tea Tree, Verdant Two-Lobe

Class 11: Rarer Than You Can Probably Conceive (approx 1/1024 as common as Class 1s)

Blood Blossom, Blushing Blossom, Camelmint*, Creeping Black Nightshade*, Deadly Catsclaw*, Lilia, Ice Blossom, Sacred Palm

Class 12: Achievement Rare (approx 1/2048 as common as Class 1s)

Deadwood Tree, Golden Dubloon, Homesteader's Palm, Octec's Grace, Paradise Lily, Sickly Root