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Thistleguide in 10 steps:
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* 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
 
* 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
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* 2. open Talescript, VT, config_thistle
 
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* 3. set all to  0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0
 
  
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* 4. under rosirazor, I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre"
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* 2. open Talescript, trunk, VT, config_thistle OR open your VT map, config_thistle (is where you have installed VT, in my case it is on the C:/veggietales (I don't use talescript) -so find out where you have installed your copy of VT/talescript)
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desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~
 
  
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* 5. save the notepad
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* 3. set all the voids to 0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0 (standard they all stand at '1')
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* 6. open VT, Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in history file) every list ends with thistle, check if mine is there too
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http://i60.tinypic.com/r1lts7.png
  
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* 7. Open talescripts, VT, luascript, thistle_°custom, and notepad opens
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* 4. under 'desired "label:Mine" ' , I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre"  (offcourse, here comes your name)
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desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~ = you find this when clicking on your silkwormfarm)
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you may delete all others, it is not needed to keep them
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so you write like this:
  
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* 8. look line " instructions=  (here are about 40 steps for the macro, I replace them with the ones I find on the history file
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desired "label: Jaylenaeybarre"  
  
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* 9. save notepad
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  desired A-F~P+T+
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* 10. pin the gardens, rechts top = VT take (thistle_lua)
 
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  !!in inventory: seeds and jugs, careful: all gardens same
 
  
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if you write it like this:
  
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Need to check:
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//desired A-F~P+T+      it won't be searched !!
  
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Growing Thistles with Veggietales
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http://i57.tinypic.com/b8tkjo.jpg
  
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Step 1 - Get voids and be sure someone has tested them for day and night. Believe it or not the getting of voids is the hard part LOL. Try Twisted Thistle info for voids.
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* 5. save the notepad
  
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Step 2 - Enter voids in VeggieTalesnew>config_thistle file. When you place a zero next to a rule it creates a void. For example a void for Nit_Asc would look like "rule_Nit_Asc 0"
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* 6. open VT , run Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in 'history' file --> look at where you have installed your copy of VT or talescript --> see point 2)
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http://i61.tinypic.com/2lmb476.png
  
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Step 3 - Enter your desired thistle  
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* 7: Open 'history' in VeggieTales folder,Scroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.
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http://i57.tinypic.com/2dhvi2p.png
  
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written like this:
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* 8. Depending on what you use either: Open VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix)  OR  Open talescripts, trunk, VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix),
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and notepad opens (again this is not the actual program, but where you have installed VT/talescript)
  
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desired "label: YOURNAME"
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OR do the easiest: click on the little 'e' on the left of any of the above mentioned names, on the VT: http://i58.tinypic.com/11uevcm.png
  
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desired A-F~P+T+
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**a) Change 'local expected_gardens' to = your thistle garden number (amount of gardens you want to run)
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**b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"
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**c) Change 'local last_sun' to = 33 for day with closed canopy, 99 for day with open canopy, 0 for night (canopy does not matter= there is no sun at night :))
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http://i61.tinypic.com/2dc71ug.png 
  
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if you write it like this:
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* 9. save notepad
  
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//desired A-F~P+T+ it won't be searched ) Save and close.
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* 10. pin your gardens, (can use VT windows arranger or manager), check if you have seeds, waterjugs in inventory, check if the time is correct, start VT and use the thistle_custom lua or thistle_new lua or thistle_new mix lua
  
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Step 4: Open VeggieTales and run Thistle mode. This will create a series of recipes if the voids are suitable.
 
  
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Step 5: Open history in VeggieTalesnew folderScroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.
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!!in inventory: seeds and jugs, careful: all gardens same (unless using new mix lua)
  
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Step 6: Go to luaScripts folder. Open thistle_new (no zeros in name)
 
  
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a) Change local expected_gardens to = your thistle garden number
 
  
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b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"
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*** More things to consider
  
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It should begin something like this:
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{|cellspacing=0 border=1 cellpadding=5
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| - || Low || ≤ 20
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| ~ || Average || > 20, < 80
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| + || High || &ge; 80
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|}
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* It takes 6m 30s (Real Time) to do a run on the garden.
  
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instructions = {
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* If you need to reset/change one of your canopies quickly, just Plant a Crop, click Sun button, then Abort
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* don't put more then 1000 thistles in the silkworm farm
  
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0,0,0,1,33,  
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* How do I get more thistleseeds? : everytime you succeed to grow thistles, you get 5 thistleseeds in your inventory (still have to check this ???)
  
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It should end something like this:
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* DAYTIME= 8.25 am - 15.30 pm (3.50pm)
  
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0,0,1,1,99,
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* NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am
  
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};
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* with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am (still have to check this ???)
  
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(These numbers represent the various nutrients and sunlight, the first line translates to "use 1 oxygen, 33 sun" and the last to "1 water 1 oxygen and full sun" they are just examples.)  
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* Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for nighttime growing and recipe with '12' is used for daytime growing (so you can choose to grow either at nigttime either at daytime)
  
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c) Change sun to the last number on your recipe list, so for this example you scroll up to the line right above instructions:
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* Best for A+C+F-P~: 1000/16 (D): means: that there is no night recipe only a day recipe with 16 actions
  
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local last_sun = 33 and change it to 99 in this example. Save and close or minimize.
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* Best for B+C~N-T-: 1000/100 (-): means: this thistle can't be made now, you 'll have to wait till next voids
  
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Look at your thistle gardens, be sure they are all set to the number you just entered (33 or 99) Night growing is unaffected by these numbers so no need to change them after dark, but you will need to change the recipe. You can plant change to desired light and abort to fix them.  
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http://i60.tinypic.com/n5ij60.png
  
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ASNATH SAYS:33 CLOSED, 99 OPENED, NO MATTER WHAT
 
  
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Step 7 - Pin all gardens, I use veggitales arranger to set them up, directions there.
 
  
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Step 8 - make sure you have water and thistle seeds
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<font color="#ff0000">REMARKS</font>
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*using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_CUSTOM LUA page
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid) - this is the best if you only do a few gardens at once
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*using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW LUA page
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for lots of gardens - use the windows arranger or manager to do the cascade
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*using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW_MIX LUA page
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***REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded
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Start Veggietalesnew thistlenew script and enjoy :-)
 
  
  
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* Hint: you might want to start your garden an egypt-minute later than the time indicated on the figure, just to be sure.
 
* Hint: you might want to start your garden an egypt-minute later than the time indicated on the figure, just to be sure.
  
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*The ranges are defined based on the output as follows:
 
  
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{|cellspacing=0 border=1 cellpadding=5
 
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| - || Low || &le; 20
 
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| ~ || Average || > 20, < 80
 
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| + || High || &ge; 80
 
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|}
 
  
  
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<font color="#ff0000">REMARKS</font>
 
  
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*using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE NEW LUA page
 
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for loads of gardens
 
  
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*using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE CUSTOM LUA page
 
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid)
 
  
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*using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE NEW MIX LUA page
 
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***REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded
 
  
  
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*DAYTIME= 8.10 am - 15.40 pm (3.40pm)
 
  
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* NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am ???
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http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Asnath/Thistle_Guide
  
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* with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am
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http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist
  
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*  Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for daytime growing, recipe with '12' is used for nighttime growing?????
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http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidfinding
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==[[Jay's check]]==
  
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* Best for A+B+C~N+:1000/18 (D): means: ???
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==[[Jay's try]]==

Latest revision as of 07:21, 18 April 2014

Thistleguide in 10 steps:

  • 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
  • 2. open Talescript, trunk, VT, config_thistle OR open your VT map, config_thistle (is where you have installed VT, in my case it is on the C:/veggietales (I don't use talescript) -so find out where you have installed your copy of VT/talescript)
  • 3. set all the voids to 0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0 (standard they all stand at '1')

r1lts7.png

  • 4. under 'desired "label:Mine" ' , I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre" (offcourse, here comes your name)

desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~ = you find this when clicking on your silkwormfarm) you may delete all others, it is not needed to keep them so you write like this:

desired "label: Jaylenaeybarre" 

desired A-F~P+T+

if you write it like this:

//desired A-F~P+T+ it won't be searched !!

b8tkjo.jpg

  • 5. save the notepad
  • 6. open VT , run Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in 'history' file --> look at where you have installed your copy of VT or talescript --> see point 2)

2lmb476.png

  • 7: Open 'history' in VeggieTales folder,Scroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.

2dhvi2p.png

  • 8. Depending on what you use either: Open VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix) OR Open talescripts, trunk, VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix),

and notepad opens (again this is not the actual program, but where you have installed VT/talescript) 

OR do the easiest: click on the little 'e' on the left of any of the above mentioned names, on the VT: 11uevcm.png
    • a) Change 'local expected_gardens' to = your thistle garden number (amount of gardens you want to run)
    • b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"
    • c) Change 'local last_sun' to = 33 for day with closed canopy, 99 for day with open canopy, 0 for night (canopy does not matter= there is no sun at night :))

2dc71ug.png

  • 9. save notepad
  • 10. pin your gardens, (can use VT windows arranger or manager), check if you have seeds, waterjugs in inventory, check if the time is correct, start VT and use the thistle_custom lua or thistle_new lua or thistle_new mix lua


!!in inventory: seeds and jugs, careful: all gardens same (unless using new mix lua)


      • More things to consider
- Low ≤ 20
~ Average > 20, < 80
+ High ≥ 80
  • It takes 6m 30s (Real Time) to do a run on the garden.
  • If you need to reset/change one of your canopies quickly, just Plant a Crop, click Sun button, then Abort
  • don't put more then 1000 thistles in the silkworm farm
  • How do I get more thistleseeds? : everytime you succeed to grow thistles, you get 5 thistleseeds in your inventory (still have to check this ???)
  • DAYTIME= 8.25 am - 15.30 pm (3.50pm)
  • NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am
  • with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am (still have to check this ???)
  • Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for nighttime growing and recipe with '12' is used for daytime growing (so you can choose to grow either at nigttime either at daytime)
  • Best for A+C+F-P~: 1000/16 (D): means: that there is no night recipe only a day recipe with 16 actions
  • Best for B+C~N-T-: 1000/100 (-): means: this thistle can't be made now, you 'll have to wait till next voids

n5ij60.png


REMARKS

  • using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_CUSTOM LUA page
    • REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid) - this is the best if you only do a few gardens at once
  • using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW LUA page
    • REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for lots of gardens - use the windows arranger or manager to do the cascade
  • using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW_MIX LUA page
      • REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded



  • On the following figure (Figure 2) you will find an approximate sketch showing when you can safely use which recipes. ???????

Sungraph1.svg

  • During dusk and dawn the Sun value is constantly changing, making it insanely difficult to get any working recipes with predictable results.
  • On the figure (Figure 2), the growing times for night are provided with the assumption that the canopy is closed. With canopy open, night recipes work from around 6 pm to 6 am. The reason for this large difference is that "night time" requires very low sun values, and they come by much faster when the sun is limited to 1/3.
  • Hint: you might want to start your garden an egypt-minute later than the time indicated on the figure, just to be sure.






http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Asnath/Thistle_Guide

http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist

http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidfinding

Jay's check

Jay's try

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